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Old 09-05-2015, 03:18 PM
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Rialto CA issued body cams in 2012. Public complaints against police dropped 88%. Violent encounters dropped 60%. Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...plaints-rialto
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Not to feed the troll, but Im bored. When "citizens" realize they are being recorded they tend to act differently. Before cameras, they could act like an idiot and file false claims later with the leos supervisor, and the supervisor would have two different stories. Now that the entire incident is recorded objectively, a lot of people realize they were the azz hat. I don't have a problem with cameras and I would want one if I every go back to road patrol, for my protection.
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Not to feed the troll, but Im bored. When "citizens" realize they are being recorded they tend to act differently. Before cameras, they could act like an idiot and file false claims later with the leos supervisor, and the supervisor would have two different stories. Now that the entire incident is recorded objectively, a lot of people realize they were the azz hat. I don't have a problem with cameras and I would want one if I every go back to road patrol, for my protection.
Read what the police chief said about that and the attitude of the cops ending civilian complaints.
He says drunks and belligerents have no leg to stand on and know it when shown their video.
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Originally Posted by onrecess View Post
Rialto CA issued body cams in 2012. Public complaints against police dropped 88%. Violent encounters dropped 60%. Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...plaints-rialto
Glad to hear it.
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It all depends on how you manage the back end of the video forensics. Its not as simple as recording an SD card and transferring video. there are chain of custody issues. Cities that are smart and not many are need a holistic approach using city surveillance systems along with cop cams and archiving video for evidence. Its quite complicated when you are looking at a long term benefit for the local taxpayer as opposed to throwing garbage against the wall and waiting to see what happens
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Very hard for big departments to afford.... I would welcome them but most places will never go to them due to the hassle and money..
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Originally Posted by fishknut View Post
Not to feed the troll, but Im bored. When "citizens" realize they are being recorded they tend to act differently. Before cameras, they could act like an idiot and file false claims later with the leos supervisor, and the supervisor would have two different stories. Now that the entire incident is recorded objectively, a lot of people realize they were the azz hat. I don't have a problem with cameras and I would want one if I every go back to road patrol, for my protection.
Wouldn't you agree when police know they are being recorded they act differently as well?
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Rialto is a real toilet bowl. The cops need all the help they can get to deal with general population.
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Wouldn't you agree when police know they are being recorded they act differently as well?
The ones you will find acting differently are the baiters and problem children. The police already get filmed by everybody. Any officer who doesn't think he is being filmed almost all the time on a call is stupid..
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With most of LE buying the new Tahoe and I notice even town police trolling on the interstates more and more now are driving them, watching for speeders its hard to see there is a shortage of money delegated to LE. Might not be able to afford all you want but LE they sure ain't slacking on the most costly car or patrol unit out there. Other than buying Suburan i'm sure cause their two heavy, LE is loading up on the Tahoe. I'd guess over a hundred sitting there ready to be picked up.
Just north of Florence SC, I think they have hired two town police to report for duty in the cross over on I-95 there. They are there almost every time I go through there and only allow them to come into town for lunch. LOL
Had a chance to pull a load out the Winston Honda yard, where the Chevys were few weeks ago. New LE Tahoes dressed out in police package moronys ( stickers on the windows) were mid 60s .
LE Chargers were mid 40s.
I think there is a lot of poor mouthing going on somewhere till you get behind the curtain. Back stage ain't showing the same story.

This ain't one of those bitch enough, people might start to believe it things is it. .

Dash cams with the audio and video have changed things, and CDL times noted lot of traffic stops, when they first came out the LEO ask if they had audio and some were ask to turn them off. Also noted now, since everyone has one its not a question ask as much any more.

Camera's and audio are a good thing for those on both sides of the fence that don't have ill intent or control freaks. .
Almost all phones now have Sound Recorder on them. Little App in everyones phone you can record anything being said around you.

Carry on.

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With most of LE buying the new Tahoe and I notice even town police trolling on the interstates more and more now are driving them, watching for speeders its hard to see there is a shortage of money delegated to LE. Might not be able to afford all you want but LE they sure ain't slacking on the most costly car or patrol unit out there. Other than buying Suburan i'm sure cause their two heavy, LE is loading up on the Tahoe. I'd guess over a hundred sitting there ready to be picked up.
Just north of Florence SC, I think they have hired two town police to report for duty in the cross over on I-95 there. They are there almost every time I go through there and only allow them to come into town for lunch. LOL
Had a chance to pull a load out the Winston Honda yard, where the Chevys were few weeks ago. New LE Tahoes dressed out in police package moronys ( stickers on the windows) were mid 60s .
LE Chargers were mid 40s.
I think there is a lot of poor mouthing going on somewhere till you get behind the curtain. Back stage ain't showing the same story.

This ain't one of those bitch enough, people might start to believe it things is it. .

Dash cams with the audio and video have changed things, and CDL times noted lot of traffic stops, when they first came out the LEO ask if they had audio and some were ask to turn them off. Also noted now, since everyone has one its not a question ask as much any more.

Camera's and audio are a good thing for those on both sides of the fence that don't have ill intent or control freaks. .
Almost all phones now have Sound Recorder on them. Little App in everyones phone you can record anything being said around you.

Carry on.
Municipalities don't pay sticker. I retired a few years ago but back then a 2 wheel drive Tahoe cost about the same as a Taurus. In some cases they don't get to choose what vehicles they buy it all depends on what brand gets the contract. I think we were paying high 20's for the fully loaded crown Vicks or taurus.
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Municipalities don't pay sticker. I retired a few years ago but back then a 2 wheel drive Tahoe cost about the same as a Taurus. In some cases they don't get to choose what vehicles they buy it all depends on what brand gets the contract. I think we were paying high 20's for the fully loaded crown Vicks or taurus.
Few years ago, I was delivering 3500s in the mid to high 20s. Dodge 3500 is 59000 now looked at a Ford sticker yesterday, 70,000
Prices have tripled in the last few years but LE discount ver current pricing is not as much as you think it is. . There to, the difference between the charger and the Tahoe is a noticeable difference. . If cost was a issue, the highest dollar patrol unit would not be bought regardless...

DOT with portable scales in the unit and K9 units, investigation units, totally understandable.
Tahoe after Tahoe being delivered to even town police non K9 Units? You can't change the facts. More and more depts are going to them.

Just my views, there is a whole lot of poor mouthing going on and they might not be able to buy what LE wants but they sure ain't trying to cut any cost in what they do buy.

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Few years ago, I was delivering 3500s in the mid to high 20s. Dodge 3500 is 59000 now looked at a Ford sticker yesterday, 70,000
Prices have tripled in the last few years but LE discount ver current pricing is not as much as you think it is. . There to, the difference between the charger and the Tahoe is a noticeable difference. . If cost was a issue, the highest dollar patrol unit would not be bought regardless...

DOT with portable scales in the unit and K9 units, investigation units, totally understandable.
Tahoe after Tahoe being delivered to even town police non K9 Units?

Just my views, there is a whole lot of poor mouthing going on and they might not be able to buy what the LE wants but they sure ain't trying to cut any cost in what they do buy.
Police departments don't pay anywhere near sticker price. One of the main reasons why departments are switching to SUVs is for comfort. When you put computers and all that equipment in there there's just no more room when you're sitting there with a gun belt.
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Police departments don't pay anywhere near sticker price. One of the main reasons why departments are switching to SUVs is for comfort. When you put computers and all that equipment in there there's just no more room when you're sitting there with a gun belt.


Thank you 38P

I could not agree with you more.


Rest my case.

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Fortunately I only had to do road patrol for four years back in the 90s. We didn't have computers and all of this new crap in the cars like they do now. At the end of the shift my lower back would be wrecked from wearing a gun belt for 8 to 10 hours a day. Anything they can do to make it more comfortable in the vehicle is a very good thing.
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Wouldn't you agree when police know they are being recorded they act differently as well?
Yes for some, but those that need monitoring don't deserve to wear the badge and I fully support ridding the agency of them. But it's the public that needs monitoring, if you don't agree just look at recent happenings against leos, and it aint over.
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Police departments don't pay anywhere near sticker price. One of the main reasons why departments are switching to SUVs is for comfort. When you put computers and all that equipment in there there's just no more room when you're sitting there with a gun belt.
They don't pay anywhere near sticker for cameras either. I think they are long overdue.
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They don't pay anywhere near sticker for cameras either. I think they are long overdue.
Totally agree and that I support at any cost.
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Hmmmm...A lot of things being quoted as being Cracker's statements that were not !!!!

I work at about an 1800 person dept, 10th largest Sheriff's office in the US. I am not in budget but cost, time and the vast amount of servers and equipment are why we are not going to them anytime soon. Management nor any officers are scared of them. I certainly don't care. Like I have said if an officer doesn't think he is being videoed most of the time anyway, he is being ignorant of the Times.

By the way our local city has SUVs. They have them because of the extra clerance, the streets flood occasionally, so there are other reasons to have SUVs
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