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Old 09-04-2015, 01:13 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/politi...eneral-report/
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Not at Newington or West Haven CT as far as I have seen. I hope this is not true or is a juked statistic. There are millions of vets and many die every day. Many perhaps most that use the VA services are elderly. Vets that have service related disabilities or service related issues these past few years have been issued cards that allow us to get care at ANY private hospital if we cannot get to the VA in a timely manner. And all vets eligible for VA care an use the private system for emergencies.

I think many people do not realize that these past few years there has been so much publicity that thousands of vets that were never in warzones and do not have any service related issues have been added to the eligibility by more open policies as a result of pressure form Veteran groups and politicians. So I am thinking this has just overloaded the system in some areas.

Anyway I hope these stats aren't as bad as they appear and these are not guys that have service related issues. Just like crime rates and suicide rates it is very easy to make things look worse - it makes for the sensational news.

I wonder how many non GI's died while they had a pending medical appointment?

"The VA's inspector general found that out of about 800,000 records stalled in the agency's system for managing health care enrollment, there were more than 307,000 records that belonged to veterans who had died months or years in the past."

Not there is no statement that lack of care was the reason for death - and the big MAY. This is of course very suggestive though and I suppose that is the intent...

Update these were vets applying for eligibility - the VA says..... " As of June 30, 2015, VA has contacted 302,045 Veterans by mail asking them to submit required documents to establish eligibility. To date, VA has received 36,749 responses and enrolled 34,517 Veterans, and outreach efforts are continuing. "

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Maybe these are dumb questions, but why does a veteran have to apply for VA benefits? The military managed the records of veterans from enlistment to discharge. Doesn't the discharge paperwork include enrollment of eligible vets with the VA? I can see where an appeal process is needed, but shouldn't enrollment be automatic?

Is this just another example of two government agencies that should communicate with each other but can't?
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It infuriates me to think these men laid it on the line for this country and they have to wait behind a bunch of red tape to get the treatment they need. I wonder how many politicians are dealing with the same bureaucracy?
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I'm right there with ya.
It absolutely disgusts me.

We have a long history of neglecting our Vets and it's downright shameful.
Unfathomable amounts of cash is blown on the laughable shit show that is the election process, as well as other idiotic governmental booshit like deflate gate going in front of our Supreme Court.
We could go on & on.

Pisses me off.
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As a nation we made promises to our veterans. It really does not seem like we're keeping them.

I'm a VN vet and I am so glad I'm fortunate enough not to have to depend on the VA for care. I cannot change the way our government treats vets (I do try) but I can support groups like WWP.
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307k? While I don't doubt it happened, I would question that number.
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307k? While I don't doubt it happened, I would question that number.
Whether it's 307k or 1k, no matter. It is disgusting to think even ONE Vet should have to wait for treatment. This country and this government owes these brave souls. It pisses me off to no end to think my tax dollars are going to some lowlife so they can live in sect 8 housing, eat free food and get free medical care, all while being of sound body. Yet, some brave american, stepped up to the plate for this country and has to wait for proper treatment.

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Maybe these are dumb questions, but why does a veteran have to apply for VA benefits? The military managed the records of veterans from enlistment to discharge. Doesn't the discharge paperwork include enrollment of eligible vets with the VA? I can see where an appeal process is needed, but shouldn't enrollment be automatic?

Is this just another example of two government agencies that should communicate with each other but can't?
I am NO expert but went thru this process. They DO provide continuous care for injured and disabled vets. What is at issue here is Veterans who were probably discharged with no service related ailments. Later on they develop or believe they have PTSD, hi blood pressure, or other ailments that be service related. They can apply for these benefits and proof is often in the from of exmilitary records that document stress (combat awards, ribbons and such) or medical treatment received in the service. And yes the military has these records (the had mine fron 35 years ago and it was a slam dunk to get medical care AND even $$ compensation. The issue is when there is no documentation - guys never had issues in the military or were never in war zones or in combat and have nothing to show they have a related illness or injury. There is a process for these folks - including statements form fellow GI's. private medical records, pictures, etc. The vast majority of pending cases are where there is little or no documentation. I personally know GIs that have applied just hoping something would stick. Let's face it they are not all legit.

Plus as far as I know there was no automatic promise for lifetime medical care just because you once served. This would cost a fortune. The VA is basically for service related injuries and illness plus some exceptions mostly income bases. In some cases the entire family qualifies.

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As a nation we made promises to our veterans. It really does not seem like we're keeping them.

I'm a VN vet and I am so glad I'm fortunate enough not to have to depend on the VA for care. I cannot change the way our government treats vets (I do try) but I can support groups like WWP.
See my original response.personally I have only seen and received quite excellent care.

[QUOTE=twentynine;8219564]307k? While I don't doubt it happened, I would question that number.[/QUOTEm

Again that is a number of applications, and not numbers that are in the system.

I hope no Vets deserving of care are not getting it but headlines like this are a bit misleading as said above and it is good to see you all concerned.
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[quote=LI Sound Grunt;8219623]I am NO expert but went thru this process. They DO provide continuous care for injured and disabled vets. What is at issue here is Veterans who were probably discharged with no service related ailments. Later on they develop or believe they have PTSD, hi blood pressure, or other ailments that be service related. They can apply for these benefits and proof is often in the from of exmilitary records that document stress (combat awards, ribbons and such) or medical treatment received in the service. And yes the military has these records (the had mine fron 35 years ago and it was a slam dunk to get medical care AND even $$ compensation. The issue is when there is no documentation - guys never had issues in the military or were never in war zones or in combat and have nothing to show they have a related illness or injury. There is a process for these folks - including statements form fellow GI's. private medical records, pictures, etc. The vast majority of pending cases are where there is little or no documentation. I personally know GIs that have applied just hoping something would stick. Let's face it they are not all legit.

Plus as far as I know there was no automatic promise for lifetime medical care just because you once served. This would cost a fortune. The VA is basically for service related injuries and illness plus some exceptions mostly income bases. In some cases the entire family qualifies.



See my original response.personally I have only seen and received quite excellent care.

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307k? While I don't doubt it happened, I would question that number.[/QUOTEm

Again that is a number of applications, and not numbers that are in the system.

I hope no Vets deserving of care are not getting it but headlines like this are a bit misleading as said above and it is good to see you all concerned.
I'm glad your satisfied; wish more people were. Are you saying people are making this shit up?

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LI Sound Grunt:

Thanks for the answers- clears things up for me.

Our local VA facility gets good marks from local vets, but most local vets seem to have at least one service buddy living elsewhere not happy with his VA hospital.
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I'm glad your satisfied; wish more people were. Are you saying people are making this shit up?

I have no idea. I stated some related facts on qualifications that I am aware of but This Headline was misleading to me Till I read the article.. These are Vets who have applied to get into the system. They accepted way over 90% - to me that is amazing. I suspect these are not service related issues - there has never been that high a percentage. They are likely Vets that come under the poverty line exceptions. To me -The headlines imply these were vets under care who were waiting for appointments, operations etc. All vets can and should and are encouraged and have been notified to use the private system for emergencies and in fact as I said they are also being encouraged to use other care systems if they have more than a certain wait for non-emergency - I threw out the letter but I think it was 30 days.

As far as satisfied - I only know what I read about others - I can only answer for me personally - YES! The system has worked great for me. I hope everyone deserving of it will have the same experience.
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
LI Sound Grunt:

Thanks for the answers- clears things up for me.

Our local VA facility gets good marks from local vets, but most local vets seem to have at least one service buddy living elsewhere not happy with his VA hospital.
Yes I heard Arizona for example has horrible management -
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I have two close people involved in this, one only had to file the necessary paper work and he was basically covered , I pointed him to what he needed to do, practically held his hand through the process and left him with a few clicks away, he still dragged his feet and waited a month before finally getting the coverage he is entitled to.

Another I know had an appointment with the VA for hearing aids. He conveniently went shooting the day before without hearing protection. As a result of the test he took that day he has been getting his hearing aids from the Gov. , he's 86.
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