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Old 09-03-2015, 03:26 PM
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Yeah the 240 dl, diesel ones, some made over 500k miles without any problem.

In the late 80´s pratically every executive had one here in europe.
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Originally Posted by steelheadtroller View Post
Volvos before Ford forced them to put their 3.2 V-6 in them were great. The 2.5L 5 cyl. was bulletproof. My XC70 is about to hit 300,000 miles. The trans was rebuilt at 175K. Other than that, change the oil and forget about it.

Ford is what killed that brand. I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole now.
They never had the v6. Well at least the xc 70s. They were a Volvo straight 6. The xc 80 had a Yamaha v8.
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They never had the v6. Well at least the xc 70s. They were a Volvo straight 6. The xc 80 had a Yamaha v8.
And actually, I think ford helped a bit. They used to be really bad with electrical issues (switches and such) I honestly think the two I had both were much better and that was after ford. My only issue was a throttle body sensor on the drive by wire system getting a build up of carbon and triggering a safe mode. Even with 170k miles they did an ECU upgrade and fixed it (probably by making the safe mode less sensitive).

Now the brakes on the other hand, you have to plug them into the Volvo computer to fully retract the rear calipers to replace the pads. I discovered you could also remove the e brake actuator and take a torx bit to the piston but man that was a pain.
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Old 09-03-2015, 06:24 PM
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My family has had two XC70s, both great cars never had a problem. We had the 2.5 5 cylinder turbo and the 3.2 inline 6. Super safe and great interiors. The 2.5 was much more fun to drive.
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:28 PM
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The 2004 XC90 T6 we owned was the biggest POS. Perhaps that particular car wasn't representative of the brand, but based on my experience I don't care to ever own another Volvo.
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Originally Posted by fidhhook54 View Post
Yeah the 240 dl, diesel ones, some made over 500k miles without any problem.

In the late 80´s pratically every executive had one here in europe.
From what I have seen, a disproportionately large percentage of the "million mile club" Mercedes are the 1.9-2.4 liter 4 cylinder and 3 liter 5 cylinder diesels built from the late 50;s up until the late 80's. You still see old ratty 300 turbo diesel wagons and sedans running around my town 30 years after that last ones of that type were built and these are not owned by collectors.
I am one of those guys who says that a average small block GM V8 will continued running on the bare chassis for years after the rusty body panels have fallen off the car. The difference with those old Mercedes is that the entire car was just as durable as the engine.
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The 2004 XC90 T6 we owned was the biggest POS. Perhaps that particular car wasn't representative of the brand, but based on my experience I don't care to ever own another Volvo.
My buddy's girlfriend had a similar experience. She is now driving a Mazda crossover which is kind of homely but wore free for the most part. He bought a Honda Pilot which is even uglier but dead reliable.
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Yup S60 T5 - owned it for 9 months. Would not start on my 40th birthday. Towed it 35 miles to the dealer (3rd time in 4 months). They fixed it, I drove it to a Subaru lot a mile away an traded it in on a new WRX and never looked back.
Subaru is the toughest, in College a friend and I took his out to the Sand Dunes and jumped it over and over again, we tried out damndest to get it stuck and we couldn't. That thing was a beast
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The old Volvo 240 series cars were pretty indestructible. The only "modern" car that I would put in that same category or maybe slightly above it are the old 68-76 Mercedes W114/115 series cars, especially the diesel powered ones.
Exactly.

The volvo b 17- b22 engines were the best.
The 6 cyl was made by Renault and shared w Peugeot and volvo

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I will be buying my daughter either a Volvo 850 of a Toyota Helix when she's of driving age.....

I wish they had this helix in the US. Its pretty sweet looking...
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Originally Posted by jdm61 View Post
From what I have seen, a disproportionately large percentage of the "million mile club" Mercedes are the 1.9-2.4 liter 4 cylinder and 3 liter 5 cylinder diesels built from the late 50;s up until the late 80's. You still see old ratty 300 turbo diesel wagons and sedans running around my town 30 years after that last ones of that type were built and these are not owned by collectors.
I am one of those guys who says that a average small block GM V8 will continued running on the bare chassis for years after the rusty body panels have fallen off the car. The difference with those old Mercedes is that the entire car was just as durable as the engine.

I had a 300td before I got my Volvo xc70. The volvo was incredibly reliable and very cheap to own.

I am back back to owning a Mercedes station wagon though. While they are more expensive to own the car over all ages a lot better than most if not all other cars. The leather is so far superior and shows no age after 11 years. The paint still looks great. I will have the air suspension done over the winter and the car will be back to driving as new for another 100,000 miles. Great cars.
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Originally Posted by captwill_80 View Post
They never had the v6. Well at least the xc 70s. They were a Volvo straight 6. The xc 80 had a Yamaha v8.
Regardless - Replacing an engine with another that results in a slower car that gets worse fuel economy so that Ford could increase its engine production was not a good move for the company. Then their big move to boost fuel numbers and performance was to make a FWD version. Yes a 2wd Cross Country.

Result:


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Originally Posted by steelheadtroller View Post
Regardless - Replacing an engine with another that results in a slower car that gets worse fuel economy so that Ford could increase its engine production was not a good move for the company. Then their big move to boost fuel numbers and performance was to make a FWD version. Yes a 2wd Cross Country.

Result:


The inline 6 was a Volvo engine, never used in a Ford product. It's a FWD vehicle to begin with, they just ad AWD, most of the time the powers going to the front wheels to begin with.
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