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Old 08-27-2015, 02:34 PM   #1
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Anyone have any input on or had these systems installed? My Mom is considering it. It wont have batteries, will just help reduce power consumption during day light hours (so they say) they assured $140-160 saving per month on power bill. based on that, it would pay for it self in 6 years?

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They have an estimator on their site, but I do not believe those numbers even in the best circumstances
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Anyone have any input on or had these systems installed? My Mom is considering it. It wont have batteries, will just help reduce power consumption during day light hours (so they say) they assured $140-160 saving per month on power bill. based on that, it would pay for it self in 6 years?

read mixed reviews online, so as always I come to THT to get the truth
Something's not right about the math. Although solar pv panel prices have come down since I purchased my system, the payback period is more in the order of 10 - 20 years. I think mine is in the 20 year zone.

Is this a lease or to buy?

Lease is a rip off.

I've had a solar pv system installed on my roof in 2011. LOVE IT.

I had three different solar installer bid for my system and I recommend that you check out several installers. The installer should have an electric eye for the roof, so they can calculate the amount of sun exposure. In addition, they should be looking in your attic to determine the type of roof.

If they haven't done that, then the pricing is bs.
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Something's not right about the math. Although solar pv panel prices have come down since I purchased my system, the payback period is more in the order of 10 - 20 years. I think mine is in the 20 year zone.

Is this a lease or to buy?

Lease is a rip off.

I've had a solar pv system installed on my roof in 2011. LOVE IT.

I had three different solar installer bid for my system and I recommend that you check out several installers. The installer should have an electric eye for the roof, so they can calculate the amount of sun exposure. In addition, they should be looking in your attic to determine the type of roof.

If they haven't done that, then the pricing is bs.
they have done what you said..did pitch of roof to figure best angle to get most solar power...attic ETC
it is a buy not a lease

what doesnt add up with my math?
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Will they put the $ amount in writing? If not I'm sure they are over estimating.
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Check with your accountant to see if you're eligible for the tax deductions. I looked into myself and found I was not entitled to it so the payback was in the 15 yr range and that's with me doing the install.

Imo. As an electrician I think the technology for home installs has a ways to go.
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they have done what you said..did pitch of roof to figure best angle to get most solar power...attic ETC
it is a buy not a lease

what doesnt add up with my math?
The 6 year payback period. Even in the SunPro Solar website it says 25 year payback estimate.

Solar hot water has an approximate 10 year payback period.

What is the size of the system?
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Check with your accountant to see if you're eligible for the tax deductions. I looked into myself and found I was not entitled to it so the payback was in the 15 yr range and that's with me doing the install.

Imo. As an electrician I think the technology for home installs has a ways to go.
What? Everyone is entitled to rebates and has nothing to do with your income, etc.

The rebates typically are:

Federal - 30 % gross deduction on system
State - Varies by state
Utility - Utility company will give a rebates based on the size of the system and its capped.
Local - Your municipality or town may have a rebate program
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Anyone have any input on or had these systems installed? My Mom is considering it. It wont have batteries, will just help reduce power consumption during day light hours (so they say) they assured $140-160 saving per month on power bill. based on that, it would pay for it self in 6 years?

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Good advice above get references and quotes. your local town or county government may be able to tell you about experiences with the various vendors. I am sure the State has a web-site with info too.

That does not sound unusual - you are in a State where it is hard to lose with this technology. Around here pitch and orientation is important - the more sun you get the less those things matter - just make sure you have enough sq.ft of panels to get that reduction. There are calculators on-line from what I hear. I am amazed that around here average sized homes sometimes have the panels on one side and just a few on the other. Hopefully the pro's size it to your best advantage.

Man savings of 160 per month - WOW - that is my biggest summer bill. And electricity aint cheap here.
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Man savings of 160 per month - WOW - that is my biggest summer bill. And electricity aint cheap here.
I'm saving $250 - $500 per month and I live on Long Island which has some of the most expensive utility rates in the US.

My bill is typically $10 a month for some silly delivery charge, but I get a refund due to net metering. So last year I only paid like $90 for the whole year.
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Quote I think was 11 k. It was because of her house size. Saving just 100 a month would only take 110 months but he said it'd be 150 savings per month. Who knows
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What? Everyone is entitled to rebates and has nothing to do with your income, etc.

The rebates typically are:

Federal - 30 % gross deduction on system
State - Varies by state
Utility - Utility company will give a rebates based on the size of the system and its capped.
Local - Your municipality or town may have a rebate program
I guess we're in different tax brackets,or it's a different program. My accountant told me the state and federal deductions would not work for me. Also told me plenty of people go through with the installation and find out afterwards there's no tax deduction for them. Rebates from the utility and county are a different story. Even with a free installation ( my labor ) the pay off was too long imo..glad yours is working out.
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To save 150 a month is a decent amount of kilowatts What is the avg cost per kilowatt on your bill? What size system did they propose? I pay 500 or 600 in the summer and the solar sales people didn't think I could much of a dent in it with solar panels. The largest roof sections are not facing the best way . They really should provide u with a detailed analysis taking into account system size, efficiency, weather impact and seasonal impact. U should also budget some maintenance
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I guess we're in different tax brackets,or it's a different program. My accountant told me the state and federal deductions would not work for me.
You need to get a new accountant(I'm an FP&A professional), because clearly he doesn't know what he's talking about.

The deductions have nothing to do with your tax bracket. Think of it as the same standard deductions we are all entitled to on our tax returns, because that's exactly how it works.
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You need to get a new accountant(I'm an FP&A professional), because clearly he doesn't know what he's talking about.

The deductions have nothing to do with your tax bracket. Think of it as the same standard deductions we are all entitled to on our tax returns, because that's exactly how it works.
I've been an electrician with an engineering degree for 35 yrs. Best friend best man at my wedding has been a cpa and later on a partner in his firm for the same.
Somebody's numbers don't add up and I can assure you they're not mine. If they did every home on Long Island would be paying 100 dollars a year for electricity.
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I have concern with these rooftop installs for the installation factor. How many of these guys properly install on a roof so as to prevent water intrusion? That's a big deal when you're breaking the waterproof barriers and water runoff systems. Very important.

I'd consider solar but they're just not making it feasible for homeowners without a significant outlay. Most folks with modest income like myself can't justify financing something like this versus the power savings.

Honestly, I wouldn't do solar without a battery storage system as well, for use in times of outage or at night to avoid using the utility. I'd also make sure the utility is willing to purcahse unused production from you.
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I have concern with these rooftop installs for the installation factor. How many of these guys properly install on a roof so as to prevent water intrusion? That's a big deal when you're breaking the waterproof barriers and water runoff systems. Very important.

I'd consider solar but they're just not making it feasible for homeowners without a significant outlay. Most folks with modest income like myself can't justify financing something like this versus the power savings.

Honestly, I wouldn't do solar without a battery storage system as well, for use in times of outage or at night to avoid using the utility. I'd also make sure the utility is willing to purcahse unused production from you.
That is a very legitimate concern regarding water leakage. When I had my solar pv installed I had them subcontract a roofer. So my install was very clean, because the roofer and solar installers have already worked together on various projects.

FYI- I had the solar pv contractor subcontract a roofer and a tree trimmer (I needed 3 trees removed and several trimmed).

Battery costs at the time were prohibitive. At the time it was a no brainer to exclude the batteries.

I am considering adding battery, especially the one made by Tesla.
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I've attached the current lifetime energy produced from my solar pv system.

My solar pv system is rated for 9,680 kWh (44 x 220 watt panels).


As you can see it easily produces more then that.
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easy e, what price and summer consumption per month do you actually use? if you are averaging 12K in produced energy how are you living on that in the summer? do they buy back electric at the same summer rate that you pay when you exceed capacity of the system.? Do you run central air? How many units? you are basically saying I used 12k a year in electric, generate the same amount at different times ( i.e. daytime only and sunny days) and the utility supplements the high usage, buys back the excess all at no cost. Seems like a good deal. do you actually consume a lot less than the 12K you generate and that what covers the utility costs?.
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what price and summer consumption per month do you actually use?
I donít know to be honest, but Iím spoiled now and I donít make any attempt to conserve energy anymore .

if you are averaging 12K in produced energy how are you living on that in the summer?
I generate way more in the summer and as a result I am getting credits toward the energy I have generated.

do they buy back electric at the same summer rate that you pay when you exceed capacity of the system.?
Itís called reverse metering. Every utility is different in how the electricity is bought back. Some utilities actually give you a check at the end of each year.

Do you run central air? Yes! My bill used to be around $250 - $500 a month during the summer. It depends if I run both units.

How many units? 2

Do you actually consume a lot less than the 12K you generate and that what covers the utility costs?
I consume more due to the fact that I supplement my oil heat with electric heat. To save money due to oil heat I run electric heat from beginning of winter through the whole winter. Last winter I ended up with existing credits, however the year before I had to pay a little because I ran out of credits.
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