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Old 08-22-2015, 07:21 AM
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marines had DC5s- flight was from NC to Cal- I I was headed west - long way west-

lost an engine over ALA-- stoped in Dallas changed engine and we were on our way--
1959-- next time I was on a plan was this year - going to Hawaii to see our daughter-

they have been improve some what---

you young guys watch your step - us old farts been there done that ---
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Old 08-22-2015, 08:26 AM
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Old 08-22-2015, 05:04 PM
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For the most part, time has passed the 727, but it was and is one of most beautiful airplanes ever built.

Number 1 is being restored to fly one more time.

http://aviationweek.com/blog/venerab...type-fly-again

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Old 08-22-2015, 06:36 PM
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727's are still out there flying. It's got the most amazing wings ever put on a plane in my opinion!

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Old 08-22-2015, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
For the most part, time has passed the 727, but it was and is one of most beautiful airplanes ever built.

Number 1 is being restored to fly one more time.

http://aviationweek.com/blog/venerab...type-fly-again
That is cool. When you see an aircraft that you flew in a museum or boneyard, it is mixed emotions.
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Old 08-22-2015, 07:01 PM
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727 - Hoot Gibson's favorite plane.
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by My Gal View Post
You didn't get a fuel receipt that is part of the final paper work?

How did you miss it on the checklist?

Just wondering, I've done much worse, just too ashamed to share it.
Sure did get a fuel receipt. I was the copilot on that flight. The copilot is completely left out on some items of the checklist on that aircraft at least at that company.
The FE should have verified the uplift on the receipt with what we had on board. Since he got the original order wrong everything checked out ok for him. He miss understood the order as say 35,000lb instead of 25,000lb. He thought he fueled the aircraft properly.

Then the captain should have caught the wrong total when he turned and looked at the fuel gauges during the checklist. FE ran the checklist. For that item it was, "fuel?". Then the captains supposedly to turn around, look at the panel, call out the fuel load, "25,000lb", and say verified. He obviously didn't look to close.
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Old 08-23-2015, 09:05 AM
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I have always been interested in flying and love reading these stories. Keep them coming! I only have 2 stories as a passenger to share.
1st one was on a short flight from Tampa to New Orleans. At the time there was a hurricane passing by right on the edge of NO. We were sitting on the runway for about 20 min and the captain said something along the lines of well we are going to head over there now. If the weather won't let us land we will just turn around and come back. As we approached the runway it was the roughest weather I have ever been in on a plane. The plane was all over the place. As we were getting close, I'd guess maybe 200' to 300' or so the captain pointed the wing towards the ground where you could look down and see the runway out of the window. Felt like we just went straight down and right before it appeared we were going to crash he leveled out and put it down with one of the softest landings. Half the people on board looked like they had just seen a ghost and the other half started cheering. Everyone was shaking the captains hand on the way off the plane. He was the coolest captain I have ever flew with.

Last one was coming back from Daytona to Sarasota with a guy I do some work for that has a Pilatus pc-12. It was just him, me sitting in the right seat and my dad right behind us who took a nap on the way back. We were just chatting about the plane and how he liked it etc. And got to talking about landing on short runways where he goes somewhere in the bahamas. We are approaching the runway in Sarasota and he said let me show you something. He stayed at our cruising altitude to what seemed like the runway was directly below us. The atc came on and asked if he was aborting and he said no we'll be right down, just practicing a maneuver. He pointed the thing straight to the ground, computer started saying "pull up, pull up". I looked back at my dad who just woke up is thinking we are about to crash seeing the runway straight down out the front window. Right before impending deaths he pulled back and set her down which seemed like landing a Herrier. He said, obviously exaggerating, I could land this thing on a helo pad if I had to.
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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
727 - Hoot Gibson's favorite plane.
Those of us who were HOU based and had the privilege of meeting Hoot before he retired know exactly what you're referring to. They don't make 'em like that anymore. Neither the man nor the airplane.
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I'm confused.. The NTSB found the flight crew caused the incident and that they erased the CVR.
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I'm confused.. The NTSB found the flight crew caused the incident and that they erased the CVR.
NO disciplinary action by TWA or the FAA.

Kept flying until retirement and kept trying to clear his name.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ght-attendants


(according to the NTSB, number 1, it is always the crew's fault)
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I've told the story on here before....

But my second time in an airplane by myself scared the crap out of me. I was in the practice area doing maneuvers and stalls. I had everything set up for a power-off stall. The power was pulled way back and the airplane was pointed into the sky....then the seat latch broke. I'm short and need the seat all the way towards the front. So as my seat was sliding back towards the tail, I'm desperately trying to keep a grip on anything i could, which was the yoke. Obviously I lost my grip on it but in the process, I pulled down on one side. Stall/spin entry/crap my pants.

The airplane bounced around a little bit, then settled down in a glide. I scooted my way back to the front of the airplane, wedged myself in and called ATC for a short final.

You should see the entry in my logbook. I was shaking for hours.
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Old 08-23-2015, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
NO disciplinary action by TWA or the FAA.

Kept flying until retirement and kept trying to clear his name.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ght-attendants


(according to the NTSB, number 1, it is always the crew's fault)
Yeah when they erase the CVR that should be the first place they look. So 1 slat extended all by itself at crusing altitude? The reason he's ben trying to clear his name is because if the story was easy to believe the he wouldn't have to try... everybody would say.. oh yeah thats makes sense but it doesn't.
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Old 08-23-2015, 04:36 PM
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I have a comm pilot's license, at one point wanted to pursue a career. Now fly just for personal/business transportation.

First thing I check on my preflight is gas and the oil.

Then I do the walkaround. 1st flight of the day the walkaround is very thorough. After that it's just a quick walk around the plane to make sure the tiedowns, chocks are off and no one backed into the plane with a truck or something.
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Old 08-23-2015, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ol guide View Post
funny! i was toasting afterburners when the best part of you was a stain on your mommas nightgown...lots of war stories but im not really in to those. Most turned out bad.
If they had an emicon for a solute, I'd post it up. No need to explain. I appreciate what you did for our country.


And guys who flew stretch 8's and 707's, DC-6's deserve respect as well, even with no one shooting at them. I agree with your post X's 100.
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
727's are still out there flying. It's got the most amazing wings ever put on a plane in my opinion!

Very cool, thank you. Are they still using them (727's) in the air freight fleets?

Quick question Threefish if you have an opinion from the pilots seat.

There was a company called People's Express here that was flying in the late 70's or early 80's flying prop planes. They had very cheap flights from ORF to Newark (like $30. each leg). They were bought out by Piedmont? Then just last year they came back to Newport News with a couple of planes. Really good guys tried to restart the airline. I flew with them 3 times in older 737's then I heard a service truck struck one of the planes and they couldn't get the airline restarted. Real shame, I was really pulling for those older airmen.

It seems odd that a ground accident would put them under and they couldn't get another retired aircraft up and running from someone's reserve fleet? Does such a reserve fleet exist of older aircraft such as 737's or 727's that they could have leased?

Perhaps there was more to the People's Express struggle than I know about.

Thanks for your posts
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Yes.. there are still some cargo operators of the 727. I remember PeopleExpress. They actually flew 747's. They were bought by Continental. Piedmont was purchased by US Airways. I'd imagine the issue with the resurrected PeopleExpress was credit. They probably couldn't find a bank to finance the lease. Startups operate on a day to day cash basis. They literally don't know if they have enough cash to operate the next day. I have heard of startups asking the passengers for cash to pay for fuel because the captains credit card didn't have enough credit.

There are planes stored at Pinal AirPark and other storage facilities throughout the US that store both brand new and old aircraft. If an airline that ordered a new label can't take delivery for financial reason it goes to the desert. Old planes await their fate there. Sometimes to be used again but more than likely stripped for useable parts and then cut up for recycling.



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*cough*oldashell*cough* and DC5 was never a very popular aircraft, really. What was that? A 12hr flight?



LOL. My uncle was a FE on a 727 before going to the left seat on a MD80. I'm sure there were some interesting stories.



DC8? You're old as hell too

How were the wright brothers? Ol guide said their mom was really nice


I have no exciting stories except during commercial training in a Cherokee 8,000' above St. Augustine getting an alternator warning. Jax ATC clears me do an emergency descent to drop in and land at St. Augustine to check everything out. I think I just cut throttle, max rich and glided all the way down at ~80-90kts. Warning disappeared halfway down, but I checked anyway. Nothing.

Climbed back in, flew up to Augusta, then back to MLB. Out of Jax I remember climbing up to 10,000 (in a Cherokee...what a joke ) and listened to/watched a Continental 737 descend through 10,000 heading into JAX like a rocket compared to me, and even asked on the radio "can I borrow a hundred or so kts ground speed?" At least at 10,000' in July it's not 90*. Lord knows the Cherokee doesn't have the best ventilation.

Nice lunch in Augusta.
Actually I'm only 44. I flew the DC8 from 1996-1999. I flew really old 55/60 series converted freighters for a cargo company in Miami. The DC-8 was the first plane I flew after flight school. I was 26. I had 300TT and 100 multi and the company thought it was a good idea to hire me to fly a DC-8.

They were 35 years old and not in good shape but no plane could carry freight as cheaply as the DC-8. When stage IV noise regs came these old freight companies tried to replace them with old A300's and the 757. No one could make it work for any length of time. UPS flew them up until 2012 I think. Very very tough plane! The 707 service life was way shorter than the DC-8.

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funny! i was toasting afterburners when the best part of you was a stain on your mommas nightgown...lots of war stories but im not really in to those. Most turned out bad.
I don't think afterburners are cool anymore.

Afterburners are cool on beasts like F14s and F4's but not as cool today. I don't know what it is. The older fighters just have the aura of power and superiority, badassery.
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