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Old 07-17-2015, 03:07 AM
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My wife is a couple of weeks away from finishing her masters degree and now it's my turn to do something I want. I need some rough ideas on the dollars associated with attaining a flight license. I am pretty sure we can afford the actual flight school part of the process as I have heard anywhere from 2-5K which is not significant for us but my concern is after that is over. I don't even know if there would be a plane we could buy outright ( 50-75k) but even if so I doubt I would spend that kind on money on a hobby. So for those you in the know a couple of questions:

Roughly how much for license beginning to end of process?
How much does it cost to rent a plane for a day? ( small basic single engine)
How often should you fly to maintain solid proficiency?
How often are you required to fly by regulation?
Is yearly continuing ed required and rough associated cost?

We have a significant entertainment/hobby budget available but I don't want to get into something that ends up chewing all of it up, and I really don't want to go get a license and then discover that it costs more to rent and fly than I am willing to spend.
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1. 50hrs at __$ per
2. call your local FBO and ask
3. 100 hrs a year
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5. bi-annual flight review @1hr.
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You solo after 20hrs (or can solo). 40 hours is required for your license. Around here it's 50-75 bucks per hour. Plus fuel

You are only required to do a bi-annual check ride after licensing. Required to fly no amount of hours per year. You can easily find a Cessna 172 or 182 in your budget. Keep in mind the fun costs associated like fuel and hangar storage fees. Insurance is relatively cheap. Check Trade a Plane or Barnstormers for classifieds on aircraft
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My buddy is a pilot for United and dose NOT make a lot of money..
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My buddy is a pilot for United and dose NOT make a lot of money..
I'm pretty sure the OP is not looking at becoming an airline pilot...
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Old 07-17-2015, 04:38 AM
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Owning a plane is very much like owning a boat. A nice 4 seater airplane is going to run you around $40-60K. You can also get into a small two place airplane for under $30K all day long.

Having said that, it's the upkeep that will kill you. A new engine runs between $20-30K so yes you could buy a plane but what happens if it stops working.

For the flight training aspect of the whole thing, the $2-3K estimate is way off. Plan on around $200 per flight hour and you will be in the right ball park. This gives room for some extra hours of dual instruction if needed. I could only wish to find a plane that rents for $50-75 per hour dry.

Depending on how you go about your training (part 61 school or part 141) you may fly a little more or a little less. You do not have to have 20 hours to solo an airplane.

Check out aopa.org for more free training resources.
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http://horizonflightcenter.com

This spells out the costs.

My daughter was an instructor there. Flying ain't cheap. If you have to ask......you can't afford it, is an old saying. It seems about 3 years ago she took me up so I could say my daughter flew me. I paid $180/hour.

One thing my daughter harps on is the maintenance on the planes. Some flight schools have some real death traps. This outfit has new planes and they are in some Cessna plan that must rotate the planes. Wanna go cheapy with your life?? And plane maintenance is expensive. Go buy a boat in saltwater to get you used to the idea of expensive, then triple your boat cost. As previous posters alluded to.

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Just had a friend go through it. All in, soup to nuts - he was about $10K to $12K into it.

I think our planes rent for $90 per flight hour WET here locally. Thats for a 172.
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For the OP - You could also buy a plane and get an instructor to fly with her. Instructor rates vary from $15 (starving new instructor) all the way up to $40-50/ hour.

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That's the kind of info I wanted. Owning 2 boats I get the fuel,upkeep and maintenance part and assumed it was much more expensive than for a boat. That's exactly why I wanted to know about renting because it seems if you were only going to fly 4 or 5 times a year it would be much less expensive to rent. Without getting into a fast multi engine I cant see ever flying back and forth to our place in the Keys due to the distance ( 950 miles) so my flights would typically be locally. Maybe a run over to the coast for a dinner date or down to Myrtle Beach to visit her folks for the weekend, stuff like that.
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Originally Posted by Tropicmaster View Post
That's the kind of info I wanted. Owning 2 boats I get the fuel,upkeep and maintenance part and assumed it was much more expensive than for a boat. That's exactly why I wanted to know about renting because it seems if you were only going to fly 4 or 5 times a year it would be much less expensive to rent. Without getting into a fast multi engine I cant see ever flying back and forth to our place in the Keys due to the distance ( 950 miles) so my flights would typically be locally. Maybe a run over to the coast for a dinner date or down to Myrtle Beach to visit her folks for the weekend, stuff like that.
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Let me throw this at you. Having gone through rotary wing school in the Army, I have a little background, as do some of the other posters (obviously). Flying is awesome, a great experience, a freedom really unlike any other. However, there are no opportunities to just stop, or pull over. Failure to plan, ie weather, can be catastrophic. Flying, like shooting, is a diminishing skill in a lot of aspects. If it's on your bucket list, by all means go for it. But there is no reset button if crap goes wrong, and the more experience you have ( money required to get it, by renting, owning, or advancing license) the better equipped you will be to handle it. I guess what I'm saying is, if you are going to do it, for your safety look to do more than just minimum.
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Originally Posted by Tropicmaster View Post
That's the kind of info I wanted. Owning 2 boats I get the fuel,upkeep and maintenance part and assumed it was much more expensive than for a boat. That's exactly why I wanted to know about renting because it seems if you were only going to fly 4 or 5 times a year it would be much less expensive to rent. Without getting into a fast multi engine I cant see ever flying back and forth to our place in the Keys due to the distance ( 950 miles) so my flights would typically be locally. Maybe a run over to the coast for a dinner date or down to Myrtle Beach to visit her folks for the weekend, stuff like that.

I fly for a living because I can't afford to fly for fun...LOL.

Over the past 5-8 years I have probably flown for my own reasons a handful of times. It's always cheaper to rent for that type of flying. I rented a Cessna 210 a few years ago and flew my wife to the Bahamas for the weekend. It was a 5 hour round trip that cost me about $1000.

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Originally Posted by k9medic View Post
I fly for a living because I can't afford to fly for fun...LOL.

Over the past 5-8 years I have probably flown for my own reasons a handful of times. It's always cheaper to rent for that type of flying. I rented a Cessna 210 a few years ago and flew my wife to the Bahamas for the weekend. It was a 5 hour round trip that cost me about $1000.

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Originally Posted by CLang View Post
You solo after 20hrs (or can solo). 40 hours is required for your license. Around here it's 50-75 bucks per hour. Plus fuel

You are only required to do a bi-annual check ride after licensing. Required to fly no amount of hours per year. You can easily find a Cessna 172 or 182 in your budget. Keep in mind the fun costs associated like fuel and hangar storage fees. Insurance is relatively cheap. Check Trade a Plane or Barnstormers for classifieds on aircraft
When I learned to fly, I soloed in 5 hours (a lot of years ago)....Was there a change?
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When I learned to fly, I soloed in 5 hours (a lot of years ago)....Was there a change?
No, I think he's just speaking to the average. I soloed in 9. Most of my students have come in around 15-20 over the years.
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Here's what you're looking at just to get your license. I was actually having this conversation yesterday. When I got my private in 2003 they were quoting 2000-2500 for the 152.

If you can fit in a 152:

A/C rental - 4250
Instructor - 1200
Medical - 75
Gleim Private Pilot Kit - 150
Written test - 150
Check Ride - 530
Headset - 200+

TOTAL: - 6555

If you need a 172:

A/C rental - 5450
Instructor - 1200
Medical - 75
Gleim Private Pilot Kit - 150
Written test - 150
Check Ride - 600
Headset - 200+

TOTAL: - 7825
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to charter and give the hassle to a pro? That way you could sit in the back and have a drink with your lady! Unless u travel a lot or have gobs of money and time to spend, I couldn't justify it.
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How much does it cost to rent a plane for a day? ( small basic single engine)
Depends what you want to do. A 2 seater Cessna 152 can cost as low as $75 an hour (includes fuel). If you want to fly the family half way across the country in a cirrus, you're looking more around the $200/hr mark.

How often should you fly to maintain solid proficiency?
Good question. If maintaining a current instrument rating, I'd suggest practicing approaches/holds about once a month. If you like to put around the skies locally in clear skies then hopefully your love of the game will keep you in the air enough to keep proficient, maybe get a few landings a month.

How often are you required to fly by regulation?
At a minimum you need one flight with an instructor every 2 years (biennial flight review)

If you want to carry passengers then you need 3 landings every 90 days to maintain that currency.

Is yearly continuing ed required and rough associated cost?
No, it is not required other than the BFR. You should subscribe to an aviation magazine and keep up with what's going on in the regulatory world though.

Talking about "continuing ed" though, you may catch the itch to get an instrument rating.... and that's big $$. Then you may want to get your multi-engine rating..... again big $$.
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