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Old 07-01-2015, 08:50 PM
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Default Hey all you P-Car guys help me decide

I'm shopping for my first Porsche and am torn between a 996 turbo or a 997 CS2.
I know buy a 997 turbo right ;-) but my budget won't allow for that.

I have always been a turbo car guy having had many Japanese turbo cars growing up. However a couple of my buddy’s who are into Porsches say I would be happier with the 997CS2.

This will be a weekend car that will probably only see 5000ish miles per year. I would like to get into some DE events and Autocross with the car.
Please share your thoughts and opinions.

Thanks!
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:44 PM
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As a former driver for Porsche I would split the difference and look for a c4 if you are going to do any track events. The turbo might be a bit much for those unless you can run a course that you can open it up on.
A 993 turbo would be a sweet option as well.
The 996 has never been a favorite of mine due to the boxer influence but that's just my opinion. So if it came down to those two I would go with the c2. It's much easier to drive then the 964/993 but is still a drivers car.
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Old 07-02-2015, 03:17 AM
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I love my 997 - I really do. However....

The 996 Turbo is going up in value right now. The Metzger engine is one of the best there is. They are fast, capable cars and the mods are less expensive than those for the 997. Its still an outstanding buy.

I don't like the 996 headlights - but thats it. The car is amazing.
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Old 07-02-2015, 03:38 AM
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I have been thinking about selling my 09 997 turbo ? 18 k mi cpo with warranty . I don't find time to use and enjoy as much as I should . I would be looking for 80K or so . Just sold my 996 cabrio for the same reason .
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Old 07-02-2015, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jstarion View Post
.........will be a weekend car that will probably only see 5000ish miles per year....................
If I could say that, I would get a 997 turbo cab.... As I found out with my last (a 964 cab) my toy or 'weekend car' only sees about 1,000 a year now. Motorcycle sees all that time now... AND in two weeks it shall begin for the year, three months between the Dakotas and Pacific
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:10 AM
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My 997 cabrio is a weekend car. I don't know that I'm going to make the 5K miles this year... though several of the miles are on the track or driving back and forth to it...
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996 turbo all day long.
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:24 AM
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Whats your budget ?

I have owned both Turbo and NA.... Boost is better ....

Just picked up a 2009 997tt with low miles for 70k...

You can find a higher mileage one in the low 60's ..

and I just saw a 07 with 82k on the clock go in the high 40's ...(steal)

997.01 tt has the mezger motor - about as bulletproof as you can get
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Originally Posted by Jstarion View Post
I have always been a turbo car guy
If that's true, keep it going.

No need to go non-turbo if you're a turbo guy.

That being said, I always thought they look a bit gaudy and when buying my 2nd I got a C4 Cab.

The C4 because it looks better with its wider body in the back with nice wide 300+ tires in the rear and it’s plenty peppy.
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Originally Posted by triplenet View Post
Whats your budget ?

I have owned both Turbo and NA.... Boost is better ....

Just picked up a 2009 997tt with low miles for 70k...

You can find a higher mileage one in the low 60's ..

and I just saw a 07 with 82k on the clock go in the high 40's ...(steal)

997.01 tt has the mezger motor - about as bulletproof as you can get
Id say the budget is around 50K. Bluechip is right about the 996 starting to go back up in value, Maybe ill look for a 996 turbo with the X50. I do however like the interior much better on the 997.
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Yep - I picked up my 07 997 cabrio with 16K miles for about the same money as a 50k mile 996 turbo. In the end - I wanted something with a less dated interior.

I almost wish I went the Turbo route.
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BTW - My friend has a Boxster with a TPC turbo and meth kit...... Its an insane ride ...

TPC kit is around 10k .... you could get a narrow body C2 or C4S and add the turbo ..
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I've owned a 997.1 C2S and a 997.2 C2S.
The .2 was a nicer car interior-wise, and it also had the PDK transmission which was awesome. The .2 seemed much more powerful than the .1 - more so than the HP specs would have you expect.
Recently, I had the urge for a turbo, and was looking for a 2007-8 for the Mezger motor, as I had always heard good things about that motor. I did a little more digging, and found those same motors have an issue with coolant leaks due to some fittings being glued in and the glue failing, and some elbows made of plastic. To fix the failed glue, there are two remedies - pin or weld the fittings, and replace the plastic elbows with metal ones from Sharkwerks. Either remedy involves dropping the motor and you're in for a $5k repair. Coolant leaks from this engine usually ends up on the rear tires...not a good thing. Good thing is you can find nice examples of these cars in the mid to high $60's.

The coolant issue turned me off, so I started looking at other hot rods, and ended up with a 2008 SL55 AMG, and I love it
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Originally Posted by coastboater View Post
I've owned a 997.1 C2S and a 997.2 C2S.
The .2 was a nicer car interior-wise, and it also had the PDK transmission which was awesome. The .2 seemed much more powerful than the .1 - more so than the HP specs would have you expect.
Recently, I had the urge for a turbo, and was looking for a 2007-8 for the Mezger motor, as I had always heard good things about that motor. I did a little more digging, and found those same motors have an issue with coolant leaks due to some fittings being glued in and the glue failing, and some elbows made of plastic. To fix the failed glue, there are two remedies - pin or weld the fittings, and replace the plastic elbows with metal ones from Sharkwerks. Either remedy involves dropping the motor and you're in for a $5k repair. Coolant leaks from this engine usually ends up on the rear tires...not a good thing. Good thing is you can find nice examples of these cars in the mid to high $60's.

The coolant issue turned me off, so I started looking at other hot rods, and ended up with a 2008 SL55 AMG, and I love it
Coolant fix is around $2500.. The Sharkwerks remedy is great - but a bit over the top IMHO .......

My wrench is one of the better ones in South Florida - he has seen 3 issues and fixed them all without pulling the motor (locktight) and they have been holding for a very long time - now if you are going to beat one up on the track then pinning the motor coolant would be prudent ...

Enjoy the SL55 - my friend has one and its a beast

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My guy locally can drop the motor out of my car in about 45 minutes... finding a good indy is really important. Honestly - these cars are stupid easy to work on.
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I'm not really worried about mechanicals because im lucky and a friend of mine owns a race shop that specializes in Porsches.
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Here's a link to Sharkwerks opinion on the coolant leaks:

http://sharkwerks.com/porsche/techni...urbo-cars.html

There's a good thread on Rennlist in the 997 Turbo forum on the matter.
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997 turbo. I used to tell my wife I was embarrassed in my 996 due the lights looking like a boxster when the 997 came out.
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997 turbo. I used to tell my wife I was embarrassed in my 996 due the lights looking like a boxster when the 997 came out.
Yep, those 996 headlight are abhorrent ...

I drove my friends 996TTS a few months ago - and now have my 997TT ... The older car is cool but the newer 997 is significantly better but still retains just a bit of rawness that you expect from a Turbo
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I asked my son, who knows something about Porshe's, and his response is posted below. P-mail me if you want his e-mail address. He can likely put you in contact with some folks who know a whole lot about these cars. Teaser: Porsche Club of America is headquartered near Baltimore. My son lives near Balto.

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That's a tough call, the 997 C2 is an all around better car, styling, interior, handling. But the 996TT engine is the last true race motor dropped into the 911 turbo. The 996TT is also currently at the bottom of its depreciation curve, in the next 5-10 years it is projected to go up in value, and by a healthy amount.

Personally I like the 997 C2 more, but I'd get the 996TT, knowing that I'd be able to sell it in 7 years for everything I have in it costwise, including gas and maintenance cost, over the life of ownership. Free Porsche ownership is the best type of ownership. And it 7 years 997 C2s and 981 cayman s cars will be cheap enough to pick up for close to the appreciation amount of the 996TT in that time frame.

You may want to steer him to ask the question on the rennlist forums. For input from other P car guys, or you can cut and paste my response and email address in there.
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