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Old 06-11-2015, 06:51 AM
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For me it was Secretariat.
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My friends familyu own a nice filly. Just finished racing. I was privilaged enough to be able to watch her in person win a Group 2 and Her third Group 1 race (mile in 1.34) against the boys in wfa.

To me she is a champion, she ignited my passion in race horses.

As a kid i can remeber alot of the melbourne cup winners. The melboune cup is a big day in oz. Its a public holiday like the 4th of July. IN my state its not but i can guarantee that after 12 on the first tuesday in november no work gets done. We have had cases here where the only person who turns up to work are HR and entire companies pull sick days.

Now to be honest the best horse i have ever seen in Black Caviar. Why. 25 races undefeated. SHe just glided past them, not even working. Making group 1 winners look average. Who she beat franks the form. SHe beat so many group 1 winners that its not even funny. You dont see freaks at the track very often. Lots of hype, but not many true freaks.

My friends horse had a peak time form rating of 126. Thats mad. I believe her avg time form is 123.

But something when it comes to the best horse you have ever seen.

This comment. Mind you the horse is a national monument and his body is stuffed an on prime deisplay in a major Mueseam.

In 1999 The Blood-Horse produced a list of the Top 100 Racehorses of the 20th Century. They got a panel of seven writers to do the voting. As the Wikipedia entry says, Phar Lap was ranked #22. However, it is instructive to read the forward to this book, written by editor William R. Nack. Mr Nack writes: "And what to do about Phar Lap (No. 22)? After Secretariat’s triumph in the Triple Crown, the writer asked the elderly Francis Dunne, then a steward in New York, whether Man o’ War or Secretariat was the greatest horse that he had ever seen. "Neither," said Francis. "I saw Phar Lap."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bROtR5ivyZw phar lap aqua caliaente 1932

There are quite a few videos out there if you look for him. Auite impressive for a horse who had to ride on a ship to race. The most unfortunate thing is his owner gelded him to keep him racing. He was already a champion.

If you look deep into pedigrees you are going to find Carbine. Where the genes Phar Lap got come from. (broodmare sire) Those genes still resonate today. Sunline the mighty NZ mare carried the genes.

Over half of the 65 Melbourne Cup winners from 1914 to 1978 were descendants of Carbine, including Comic Court, Phar Lap, Rising Fast, Rain Lover and Think Big.[9] Statistics and contemporary assessments indicate that he was a dominant antipodean racehorse of the 19th century, and he still ranks with such 20th-century Thoroughbreds as his descendants Danzig, Nearco, Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, Nasrullah, Nijinsky II (winner of the UK Triple Crown), Royal Charger and Royal Palace (who have established their own sire-lines)[2] in terms of renown among turf historians.


The descendants of Carbine include eight of the nine horses to earn $10,000,000 or more in stakes wins. These horses are Deep Impact, Makybe Diva, Narita Brian, Sunline, Symboli Kris S, T M Opera O, Viva Pataca and Vodka.[10] Modern day competitors Mine That Bird and Rachel Alexandra trace to Carbine through both their sire and dam.

Carbine died at Welbeck on 10 June 1914. He had suffered a stroke and was put down with a drug to end his suffering, according to the horse's 'biographer', Grania Polliness. The Duke of Portland gave his skeleton to the Melbourne Museum. Today it is displayed at the Australian Racing Museum and Hall of Fame in Melbourne.[11] Carbine's combined record of documented success as both a racehorse and an international sire is possibly unequalled by any other Australasian Thoroughbred.[6]

Carbine had his portrait painted by the noted equine artist, Martin Stainforth and it was reproduced in Racehorses in Australia.[12]

This is where the x factor comes from.

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Thats is a tough one to beat. But my favorite race was the 1994 Kentucky Derby. I bet on Go For Gin and had 3 $2 trifecta tickets, they paid out $7000
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In person? Zenyatta. She KNEW where the wire was and how to get there!
California Chrome was very impressive to watch at the Derby last year too.
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Watch the side by side video, Secretariat was one fast hoss!!

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Those thoroughbreds are all nice to watch run (just some a bit faster than the others)
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Seabiscuit v. War Admiral.

War Admiral was the Triple Crown Winner, descendent of Man-O-War, and vaunted as the greatest race horse in history at that time.

Seabiscuit missed the Triple Crown contention because he was not discovered in time to make it as a 3-year old. When the two horses finally match-raced at Pimlico, this is what happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVT2MPNCqgM

But Secretariat is probably the greatest athlete of all time.
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I was at the Belmont this weekend . Right on the fence. Awesome experience seeing a Triple Crown winner.
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I never saw Secretariat race in person, but did on TV, and then saw him after he retired. That big-butted son of a gun was beautiful, and his Belmont victory was nothing short of amazing.
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truth is horses are not bred for the 1 1/2 anymore. The horses in the 70's were studs compared to them now. racing horses have been bred too fragile.


coolest race i saw was when my namesake won.

My grandfather raced trotters around Baltimore and DC back in the 70's and would name all his horses after the grandkids or his daughters. they all had the kids name and then his last names initial. So my horse was Sir William S. Another good one of his was Miss Jackie S.

I still have several old photos of us in the winners circle somewhere...
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I had a horse with my friends. Only one win, what a mess that night !!
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Originally Posted by weatherman View Post
I never saw Secretariat race in person, but did on TV, and then saw him after he retired. That big-butted son of a gun was beautiful, and his Belmont victory was nothing short of amazing.
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I'll just relate the ones I have seen live. The fastest was Spectacular Bid and he certainly would have given Secretariat a run for his money; absolutely defined the word "brilliant". But my two favorites were John Henry and Forego, in that order. They defined "the will to win", it was hard not to love them. Both were very versatile in their own way; JH won big races on turf and dirt; Forego won sprints and routes. John Henry winning the Santa Anita handicap and the Arlington million, Forego the Marlboro Cup, great great moments. Somewhere in between the Bid and those guys were Seattle Slew and Affirmed and Cigar. My issue with Secretariat (who also ran on turf as well as dirt) was he was done after 3, all the others raced at least through 4 and beyond, and had their best years.

You can't measure one against the other, like AP and Secretariat, in the same race because tracks change composition and speed over the years. Sure, no doubt Big Red's Belmont was one of the if not the greatest performances of all time, but as far as Belmonts go I'd have to put Affirmed in there too, beating a great horse, Alydar for the third time in a row. And cashing a future book ticket for me boxing him in a three race parlay for the TC.

You Tube has a lot of these horses in different races. Worth a look. Look at Forego's '76 Marlboro, spotting the other horses the usual 19 some odd pounds under the handicap system, which he had to do time and time again. Or the '77 Met Mile. Wow..

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Originally Posted by YFMF View Post
^^^^^^^this

Would have beat American Pharoah by over 2 1/2 seconds.
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Would have beat American Pharoah by over 2 1/2 seconds.
See my post above. Impossible to make that statement unless they are head to head on the same day in the same race on the same track condition. The punter's mantra... woulda shoulda coulda...
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Just watched Secretariat's Triple Crown wins on YouTube and a few other great horses. I was born a year after Secretariat's big year so I have to go with AP for no other reason than I got to witness a Triple Crown live on TV. They all are cool to me. I don't agree with trying to make a comparison between horses unless it's same day, time, race, etc. However that showing by Secretariat in the Belmont was awe inspiring.

I just hope they all finish the race ok. It was really sad several years back when Eight Belles broke down on the track. And Barbaro's injury in 2006 that led to his death as well. My oldest daughter has been riding for a few years now and we hang out at the ranch every week. Horses are incredibly magnificent animals.
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Secretariat ....he was a man among boys
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J It was really sad several years back when Eight Belles broke down on the track. And Barbaro's injury in 2006 that led to his death as well. My oldest daughter has been riding for a few years now and we hang out at the ranch every week. Horses are incredibly magnificent animals.
Break downs are so sad. The elation of having a horse at the races. Any race, having a winner. Having an honest horse. They really get to me. While i think way 2 many horses are gelded these day to make up the 24/7 gambling product that the world needs

Many people just dont understand. Last melbourne cup. I had a ticket of
$1500 admire raikiti caufield cup into admire raikiti melbourne cup. To see him go out so hard lead, set cracking pace the fade meekly in the straight and be told "hush hush as not to disturb the public" that he had passed away from a heart issue kills me. Its not the money , its just the love ofthe horse. An animal that has been bred to run and to run hard and fast.

I felt like i had lost a friend. I knew he was coming , i didi my form as best i could from japanese sites. I took Japanese stayers to beat germanic stayers over 3200 on a dead4- good 3 track.

Then he died. Fuck. Talk about a spoit day. I care about livestock, racehorses are not just horses, each one of them was bred, foaled, looked after. It just sucks.

I guess the point im getting to though is. Racing horses only as 3 year olds is not goodfor racing. Champiojns race on agt 4 and 5. Not many of them but when people talk about great horses you want the horses that can really produce effort after effort, season after season against all comers. More champs that race on after getting 3 year old crowns the better for the entire sport.

THe germans know their breeding. They breed obscure lines for soundness and stamina by law. They only breed a tiny amount of horses per year and they kill it.
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See my post above. Impossible to make that statement unless they are head to head on the same day in the same race on the same track condition. The punter's mantra... woulda shoulda coulda...
You forgot one, woulda shoulda coulda... DID

In 42 years of advancement, training, training techniques, feed etc, a horse hasn't even come CLOSE to Secretariat's times

Derby record still stands, Belmont record still stands, if if if shoulda woulda coulda is for runner ups, Secretariat isn't second place to any horse ...yet.
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