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Old 06-11-2015, 03:52 AM
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The DeBlasio administration is continuing its assault on NYC employers with its "Fair Chance Act".
The latest is the just past law that prohibits employers from even asking a potential job applicant if they have been convicted of any crime, including all felonies. After the company offers that person a job, it may inquire as to whether that person was convicted of a crime that would legally disqualify them for the position - meaning federal or state law prohibits that felon from working in that job; if the job is open to all (ie, no legal prohibition for felons from working), then at no time can the person's criminal history be questioned.
Interestingly, the law doesn't exempt employers from liability that would attach should a hired violent felon attack a coworker or customer.
It also means that after you hire said felon, firing that person will come with the presumption of discrimination against said felon.

http://www.nypost.com/2015/06/11/new...s-to-get-jobs/
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Good for the people of NYC. He openly ran as a socialist. Although, like most Americans, I doubt they learned anything from their voting history
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that law will lead to more deaths
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Good for the people of NYC. He openly ran as a socialist. Although, like most Americans, I doubt they learned anything from their voting history
X2. He never hid what his true beliefs are unlike most politicians. People wanted a socialist and they got one.
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Yes actually this is the new thing and not only in NYC. Here in Virginia municipalities sort of do the same thing. You can't put the box if you have been convicted of a crime on the application, nor can you ask at interview. Only when you have been conditionally hired can you run a background check and disqualify the candidate. As far as I know though they can't claim discrimination. It's a waste of resources to wait days until the bg check comes back when you could've just figured that out at the get go.

I get the idea of trying to reintegrate convicts and felons back into society so that they don't resort to more crime but this ain't it.
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I was just thinking to myself, what we need at our local school are more felons working there, looking out for the kids safety and showing them the right path to talke in life.
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Guy I grew up with put an M80 in a mailbox and blew it up, he was caught and charged with a felony. At the time I think he was 19yo, stupid but felon??
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At least if they are felons they won't be able to work at certain jobs due to conflict with existing laws.

That's the bright side, on the dark side, now people that "LOOK" like they live on the fringe will be getting past over just because they look like they are criminals. That will include a lot of people with tat's, piercings and pants that hang down past their ass.

Mayor Bill and his lesbian now hetero again wife should be very proud of themselves, losers.


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The "must hire felons" part seems wrong.

Often the check the box mentality will automatically disqualify a person, who might otherwise be a great employee, from getting farther into the interview process.

However, it should be up to the company on how they want to conduct recruiting and what weight they give a particular type of criminal history.
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Guy I grew up with put an M80 in a mailbox and blew it up, he was caught and charged with a felony. At the time I think he was 19yo, stupid but felon??
That's why when you check the box there is space where you put in your charge, when it happened, circumstances etc. if a prospective employer sees that you were a dumbass at 19 but have otherwise been abiding the law then they can see that and evaluate accordingly.
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They are/were pushing the same crap in Oregon IIRC.
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How long do you think it will be before they institute mandatory hiring of Gay, Lesbians and Transgenders? It's coming. The death spiral of Liberal America is accelerating.
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Yeah I would never attempt to run a small business out of NYC, nor live within 300 miles, but that's just me.
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im about 70% with this. I think criminal records being public is stupid, and should expire. Its a weeding out thing, employers don't even want to bother with someone that has checked the box "have you ever been arrested?" .. even if it happened 20-30 years ago. I like this because it gives the applicant time to explain himself. Are you that saying you would not hire felons believe people cannot change?

I am just saying applicants should be able to explain themselves. We are a country founded on due process are we not?

I knew a guy in high school (16) that had to register as a sex offender for mooning the rest of the school on the last day. Charged with public indecency or something. He is like 28 now and unemployed.
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Okay, say we don't hire ex-offenders. How will they support themselves and families if they have them?
Should they receive welfare checks on our dime?
Should they return to their old ways and end up back in prison where WE have to again support them?

What is the solution here THT braintrust?
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Originally Posted by bayfisher92 View Post
im about 70% with this. I think criminal records being public is stupid, and should expire. Its a weeding out thing, employers don't even want to bother with someone that has checked the box "have you ever been arrested?" .. even if it happened 20-30 years ago. I like this because it gives the applicant time to explain himself. Are you that saying you would not hire felons believe people cannot change?

I am just saying applicants should be able to explain themselves. We are a country founded on due process are we not?

I knew a guy in high school (16) that had to register as a sex offender for mooning the rest of the school on the last day. Charged with public indecency or something. He is like 28 now and unemployed.
Are you saying that background checks should not be performed? I'm not sure what you mean about not being public. I for one don't want someone convicted of embezzlement working as a bookeeper for a firm.

Applicants should be able to explain themselves, totally agree. This may be different in other areas but all of the applications that I have submitted ask the question, and if you say yes you have to supply information (date of offense, offense, explanation, etc.).

The registered sex offender thing is a whole other issue. There's stories of even drunk college kids streaking the quad or taking a leak behind a dumpster getting sex offender charges because they were 'in public', give me a break.
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Our local YMCA had ex convicts coaching my sons football team (11 years old). Really bad and stupid idea. Told the director they need to change the name to the YMA and take the C out.
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Originally Posted by Snoozin View Post
Okay, say we don't hire ex-offenders. How will they support themselves and families if they have them?
Should they receive welfare checks on our dime?
Should they return to their old ways and end up back in prison where WE have to again support them?

What is the solution here THT braintrust?
We already do that and they aren't offenders necessarily .

Maybe I'm naive, but are you all saying that you know/heard of people that cannot get jobs because they are merely passe over once they admit to being a convicted felon? I find it hard to believe that there is not one job available that has an employer that would be willing to hire someone. The world needs ditch diggers too.

I wouldn't want an embezzler working as a bank teller.
I wouldn't want a grand theft auto convict being a valet.
I wouldn't want a drug dealer working at a pharmacy.
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Yes actually this is the new thing and not only in NYC. Here in Virginia municipalities sort of do the same thing. You can't put the box if you have been convicted of a crime on the application, nor can you ask at interview. Only when you have been conditionally hired can you run a background check and disqualify the candidate. As far as I know though they can't claim discrimination. It's a waste of resources to wait days until the bg check comes back when you could've just figured that out at the get go.

I get the idea of trying to reintegrate convicts and felons back into society so that they don't resort to more crime but this ain't it.
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Arrest: Employers cannot require applicants (and agencies
cannot require licensees) to disclose information about arrests or
criminal charges that did not result in conviction or that have
been expunged. Va. Code §19.2-392.4
Conviction:. Criminal history record information may be
disseminated for investigations of applicants for employment if
the job will involve personal contact with the public or when past
criminal conduct would be incompatible with the nature of
employment under consideration. Va. Code Ann. § 19.2-389.
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Many cities already have this. Washington DC for instance.
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