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Old 06-10-2015, 08:26 PM
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Default My 2nd week of unemployment, I don't think I like this.

I had a previous post about losing my job I had for the past 17 years. The company decided to subcontract and get rid of as many employee's that they could. There were about 60 people that lost their job 2 weeks ago.

I have never been without a job since I was 12 and that's no lie. I worked at a bowling alley making trophies when I was 12 and I can't remember ever not working since then.

I was able to keep my cell phone number and I have actually been helping customers for the company I used to work for. They are desperate for help so I have been helping them. I hope this good deed comes back around to me someday.

I've turned down a couple of jobs, one was because they wanted me to cover 5 states, another because their base pay was just to low and their bonus plan appeared to me to be unreachable. I have 3 other companies I have been talking to and waiting for written offers from 2 of them. No one seems to be moving very fast, I think I made a mistake when I told them I got a 4 month severance package.

Last week I basically acted like a sloth feeling a little depressed and not really wanting to do anything. This week I have been doing everything that I haven't had time to do. I was on the boat Monday and yesterday but the wind was blowing about 30 today so no fishing. I mowed the grass and screwed around in the yard and spent the rest of the day on my ass doing nothing. I was planning on taking maybe 2 months off but I don't think I will make it. I have a whole different viewpoint on retirement.....and I haven't even been off for 2 weeks yet!
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are you not taking jobs because they pay you less than unemployment?
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Your time is what you make of it Russ. I've been fortunate enough to have negotiated several decent term 'breaks' in between jobs. The key was making the most of the time I had.

It sounds like you have become accustomed to 'living to work'. Now it's time to learn to 'work to live', if you even need too.

Slow down. Appreciate the little things. Do what YOU want to do and care not what someone else may think of it.

Enjoy yourself. Time is the one thing you can't get more of. No one looks back on their deathbed wishing they'd had more time to work.
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HANG IN THERE, RUSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got a feeling one or more of those customers you're helping out will pay off. Keep an accurate record of your help. At some point, you can approach their company (engineers, purchasing, operations, and/or HR), present the facts as to your "free help"/customer loyalty, and prove to them your value as a potential full-time employee.

SOMEbody has got to be noticing your help - get the folks you're helping to put in a good word for you. THEY know how much that's worth to THEM and their COMPANY! A good company can not expect you to be helping out for FREE and they are saving a bunch buy not paying you as a "contractor" - it's up to YOU to be able to relate this in a professional manner to them.

I know it's frustrating - been there, done that - but you've got to keep motivated, as well as taking time for yourself to do some things that make YOU happy! YOUR mental health and attitude are THE most important things at this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two weeks into this is a SHORT period, although I know it SEEMS like 200 weeks for you. Stay positive and DON'T get too slack in getting out those resumes and renewing contacts you have in the industry!

Maybe some of what I've said sounds like mumbo-jumbo, but I think you get the point. It's 11:45P.M. here in Virginny, so my head is not on real straight this late!

Take care and keep your head together!

Is there anything going on with Crouse-Hinds that you can pursue? I worked inside sales for a BIG national electrical supply house MANY years ago and they were VERY well respected in the industry - more so than Appleton, at the time. I had accounts like Allied Chemical, DuPont, Reynolds Metals and others and they REALLY liked the C-H stuff.

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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
Your time is what you make of it Russ. I've been fortunate enough to have negotiated several decent term 'breaks' in between jobs. The key was making the most of the time I had.

It sounds like you have become accustomed to 'living to work'. Now it's time to learn to 'work to live', if you even need too.

Slow down. Appreciate the little things. Do what YOU want to do and care not what someone else may think of it.

Enjoy yourself. Time is the one thing you can't get more of. No one looks back on their deathbed wishing they'd had more time to work.
Good advice thanks.....I think I have always "lived to work", I guess I never realized it until you pointed it out.
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HANG IN THERE, RUSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got a feeling one or more of those customers you're helping out will pay off. Keep an accurate record of your help. At some point, you can approach their company (engineers, purchasing, operations, and/or HR), present the facts as to your "free help"/customer loyalty, and prove to them your value as a potential full-time employee.

SOMEbody has got to be noticing your help - get the folks you're helping to put in a good word for you. THEY know how much that's worth to THEM and their COMPANY! A good company can not expect you to be helping out for FREE and they are saving a bunch buy not paying you as a "contractor" - it's up to YOU to be able to relate this in a professional manner to them.

I know it's frustrating - been there, done that - but you've got to keep motivated, as well as taking time for yourself to do some things that make YOU happy! YOUR mental health and attitude are THE most important things at this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two weeks into this is a SHORT period, although I know it SEEMS like 200 weeks for you. Stay positive and DON'T get too slack in getting out those resumes and renewing contacts you have in the industry!

Maybe some of what I've said sounds like mumbo-jumbo, but I think you get the point. It's 11:45P.M. here in Virginny, so my head is not on real straight this late!

Take care and keep your head together!

Is there anything going on with Crouse-Hinds that you can pursue? I worked inside sales for a BIG national electrical supply house MANY years ago and they were VERY well respected in the industry - more so than Appleton, at the time. I had accounts like Allied Chemical, DuPont, Reynolds Metals and others and they REALLY liked the C-H stuff.

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Hey Bruce, thanks for taking the time to write. I am expecting a call from Crouse Hinds because I was told by one of my old customers that they wanted to talk to me. I don't know if I'm really interested in working for them. They have a lot of turnover and I've heard they are very hard to work for.

I'm likely going to take 1 of the 2 jobs that I'm waiting for written offers. One is being the Branch Manager at a very large distributor. I did the BM job for another company for a few years and I like everything except dealing with the employee's. To say the company under paid their employee's is a huge understatement. The owner would approve raises usually a quarter an hour and if someone was really lucky they would get a 50 cent raise. The whole culture and attitude of the employee's was awful. They had horrible turnover, we used to joke if they ever had an ex-employee reunion they would have to rent the Superdome.
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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
Your time is what you make of it Russ. I've been fortunate enough to have negotiated several decent term 'breaks' in between jobs. The key was making the most of the time I had.

It sounds like you have become accustomed to 'living to work'. Now it's time to learn to 'work to live', if you even need too.

Slow down. Appreciate the little things. Do what YOU want to do and care not what someone else may think of it.

Enjoy yourself. Time is the one thing you can't get more of. No one looks back on their deathbed wishing they'd had more time to work.
Great post! Made me think. No doubt, I live to work. Everything revolves around work schedule and I have missed many milestones with my kids. Always think I will catch up when I retire.

Russ, keep your head up, things will work out.
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I had a previous post about losing my job I had for the past 17 years. The company decided to subcontract and get rid of as many employee's that they could. There were about 60 people that lost their job 2 weeks ago.

I have never been without a job since I was 12 and that's no lie. I worked at a bowling alley making trophies when I was 12 and I can't remember ever not working since then.

I was able to keep my cell phone number and I have actually been helping customers for the company I used to work for. They are desperate for help so I have been helping them. I hope this good deed comes back around to me someday.

I've turned down a couple of jobs, one was because they wanted me to cover 5 states, another because their base pay was just to low and their bonus plan appeared to me to be unreachable. I have 3 other companies I have been talking to and waiting for written offers from 2 of them. No one seems to be moving very fast, I think I made a mistake when I told them I got a 4 month severance package.

Last week I basically acted like a sloth feeling a little depressed and not really wanting to do anything. This week I have been doing everything that I haven't had time to do. I was on the boat Monday and yesterday but the wind was blowing about 30 today so no fishing. I mowed the grass and screwed around in the yard and spent the rest of the day on my ass doing nothing. I was planning on taking maybe 2 months off but I don't think I will make it. I have a whole different viewpoint on retirement.....and I haven't even been off for 2 weeks yet!
Russ: First off sorry to hear... Went through it myself last year and was out for 6 months. Turned down two job offers during that time but hadn't been out of work for 28 years and so when Mondays would roll around and everyone headed off to work, there I sat...

I haven't read all the comments to your situation but get on LinkedIn immediately if you haven't done so. Start to network with your old clients as this was both informative and helpful in staying in contact with them. It also allows you to go out and check the industry and who the executives are and possible candidates for getting a resume. I was Linking In with them and once I made contact, could send my resume to the right person.
If this has already been suggested then sorry for the duplication but as much as LinkedIn is Facebook for professionals, it actually is worth taking the time to set up your page and get noticed...

Any questions feel free to PM me.

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Just because you are not working for someone else

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Don't sweat it, learn to relax a little. I start a new job on the 22nd, after enjoying 4+ months off courtesy of a decent severance. Be vigilant about the job search - I would not mention the terms of your severance - and things will fall in to place.
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Hey Bruce, thanks for taking the time to write. I am expecting a call from Crouse Hinds because I was told by one of my old customers that they wanted to talk to me. I don't know if I'm really interested in working for them. They have a lot of turnover and I've heard they are very hard to work for.

I'm likely going to take 1 of the 2 jobs that I'm waiting for written offers. One is being the Branch Manager at a very large distributor. I did the BM job for another company for a few years and I like everything except dealing with the employee's. To say the company under paid their employee's is a huge understatement. The owner would approve raises usually a quarter an hour and if someone was really lucky they would get a 50 cent raise. The whole culture and attitude of the employee's was awful. They had horrible turnover, we used to joke if they ever had an ex-employee reunion they would have to rent the Superdome.

Be careful with national chains right now............Gexpro, Wesco, Graybar are all trying to make numbers.

CED, us (the Sonepar companies) and regional independents are able to hold on to our inventory longer in times like this.

Of course, like I have mentioned before, we are busy as one armed wall paper hangers in the Gulf Coast........and distribution NEEDS good people.

on a personal note, as a 28 year manager of electrical distributors, if you struggle with employees..........be one, do not be the leader
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I had a previous post about losing my job I had for the past 17 years. The company decided to subcontract and get rid of as many employee's that they could. There were about 60 people that lost their job 2 weeks ago.

I have never been without a job since I was 12 and that's no lie. I worked at a bowling alley making trophies when I was 12 and I can't remember ever not working since then.

I was able to keep my cell phone number and I have actually been helping customers for the company I used to work for. They are desperate for help so I have been helping them. I hope this good deed comes back around to me someday.

I've turned down a couple of jobs, one was because they wanted me to cover 5 states, another because their base pay was just to low and their bonus plan appeared to me to be unreachable. I have 3 other companies I have been talking to and waiting for written offers from 2 of them. No one seems to be moving very fast, I think I made a mistake when I told them I got a 4 month severance package.

Last week I basically acted like a sloth feeling a little depressed and not really wanting to do anything. This week I have been doing everything that I haven't had time to do. I was on the boat Monday and yesterday but the wind was blowing about 30 today so no fishing. I mowed the grass and screwed around in the yard and spent the rest of the day on my ass doing nothing. I was planning on taking maybe 2 months off but I don't think I will make it. I have a whole different viewpoint on retirement.....and I haven't even been off for 2 weeks yet!
Relax, it is common what you are experiencing. You just need to re-focus and realize work is not the most important thing right now. Find that hobby you always wanted to do, and get started at it.
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It will work out Russ... Good things happen to good people..hang tough
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I was able to keep my cell phone number and I have actually been helping customers for the company I used to work for. They are desperate for help so I have been helping them. I hope this good deed comes back around to me someday.
Sounds like you are consulting for zero fee?

Start charging them. It's not fair to you; and any good business person would understand that.

"They are desperate for help"
When I hear these words what I'm really hearing is "there is an opportunity to make money"
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I recommend internet porn. That should keep you busy until the severance runs out.

Seriously, enjoy your time off. It sounds like you've earned it. Go do something fun. There will be plenty of time to work when the time is right.
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So Russ, with all this time off, what's stopping you from pursuing a new skill, like say, hula hooping? I understand a private trainer, someone with mad skillz, is the best way to learn this.

Seriously though, having the time off would mean a LOT to me. So many things I never have time to do. Relax a little, jump in the Camaro and take road trip for a couple of days. Might be a little late, but plant a garden.

If you get really bored, just ask your wife what needs to be done. Mine's got a honey-do list of 30 projects at any given time!

Keep the spirits up, buddy! This is just a temporary thing. Have some fun!!
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1) Create a single member LLC
2) Get on the approved vendor list for all your prospective customers
3) Get a standard draft consulting agreement put together
4) When you do the free work...present it and get under contract
5) Each time you are asked to perform, write a short statement of work and add it to the agreement as a numbered amendment to the master contract
6) Your hourly rate structure should be exactly three times your best annual salary divided by 1880.


If you do this starting immediately, by the time your severance package is exhausted you will be receiving your first inflow of paid invoices.

If you do this, no single company has to afford you full time, and can have access to you on an as needed basis.

Sounds like you will be able to exceed your previous annual income working about half as many hours.

Most guys in your shoes figure out this formula at about the time that they must go back to work.
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When I was unemployed, I tried to work out of remote locations during the normal 9-5....adds some structure. Go to Starbucks or a library and work during the day. It'll help your psyche
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Keep strong Russ.

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