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Old 06-04-2015, 09:57 PM
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From the speech today, looks like the issue will be pushed in the upcoming cycle.
Nationwide.

Seems like a good idea- Oregon has implemented it.
And California is next (MotorVoter).

Why not?
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:34 AM
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Automatic as in "no choice" or as in when you renew your license you can register just by checking the little box "I want to register to vote"? Huge difference. Many states already have the option. The biggest problem with the latter is states dont check for citizenship when registering and more of them are giving to licenses to illegals and other people who are not elegible to vote. As to the former there are two problems first is the same as above. The second is voting is a right, not a mandate. Voting is optional registering should be the same.
Finally the biggest issue is the Fed should stay the hell out of how states register people. Its more over stepping.
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Originally Posted by damnedifido View Post
Automatic as in "no choice" or as in when you renew your license you can register just by checking the little box "I want to register to vote"? Huge difference. Many states already have the option. The biggest problem with the latter is states dont check for citizenship when registering and more of them are giving to licenses to illegals and other people who are not elegible to vote. As to the former there are two problems first is the same as above. The second is voting is a right, not a mandate. Voting is optional registering should be the same.
Finally the biggest issue is the Fed should stay the hell out of how states register people. Its more over stepping.
If 'many' states are doing it, someone thinks its a good idea.
And 'states don't check for citizenship when registering' ? Yeah, right.

Over stepping to register people to vote? What's the big deal?

Seems like that is slam-dunk for the feds- not the patchwork variations we have now that create obstacles in some states for this 'right' you say we all supposedly have.

I like the 20-day early voting idea, too.
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If you are too stupid to know how to register to vote, you shouldn't be voting to begin with.
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Old 06-05-2015, 06:31 AM
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In my area they use the voter registration as the jury duty pool.
If everyone is registered, then everyone gets called.
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Old 06-05-2015, 07:48 AM
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If 'many' states are doing it, someone thinks its a good idea.
And 'states don't check for citizenship when registering' ? Yeah, right.
First just because alot of people do something doesnt mean its a good idea.
Secondly how are the states checking for citizenship? Most ask for a couple of forms of ID and proof of where you live. SS card can be used as one form, which you would think proves citizenship, right? Wrong. Do you how easy it is for an illegal do to a copy of a SS card for a number theyre using? Also what about legal aliens? They dont have the right to vote but they can get a license. I know it happens as I have two brit friends that registered when they got their licenses.
Back to my first question. How are the states checking? They have no access to he different immigration databases. For the most part all they can do is if a person presents a SS # is run it and see what name it comes back to. If the person presents matching ID then what? Some state agencies have authority to check but they are few and far between. Please share with me your wisdom of citizenship and immigration matters.

Also not everyone has the right to vote. I never said that. US citizens of legal age have the right to vote regardless of race or gender. Legal resident immigrants, illegal residents, visiting immigrants, convicts, and minors do not have the right.
Another thing voter registration is a state issue not a federal one. So yes the Fed is overstepping.
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If your too lazy to go register to vote then your too lazy to even understand who the hell or what your voting for. That's why they now put a D & R by the people on the ballot.
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If you don't care enough to register to vote, you obviously don't care about who gets elected.

If you don't care about who gets elected, you shouldn't be voting to begin with.

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Old 06-05-2015, 01:39 PM
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Right after the 2nd amendment becomes "automatic".
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Old 06-05-2015, 01:43 PM
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They can't charge a fee to register you to vote, but they can raise the price of a drivers license for whatever made up reason. Back door taxation.
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Originally Posted by damnedifido View Post
First just because alot of people do something doesnt mean its a good idea.
Secondly how are the states checking for citizenship? Most ask for a couple of forms of ID and proof of where you live. SS card can be used as one form, which you would think proves citizenship, right? Wrong. Do you how easy it is for an illegal do to a copy of a SS card for a number theyre using? Also what about legal aliens? They dont have the right to vote but they can get a license. I know it happens as I have two brit friends that registered when they got their licenses.
Back to my first question. How are the states checking? They have no access to he different immigration databases. For the most part all they can do is if a person presents a SS # is run it and see what name it comes back to. If the person presents matching ID then what? Some state agencies have authority to check but they are few and far between. Please share with me your wisdom of citizenship and immigration matters.

Also not everyone has the right to vote. I never said that. US citizens of legal age have the right to vote regardless of race or gender. Legal resident immigrants, illegal residents, visiting immigrants, convicts, and minors do not have the right.
Another thing voter registration is a state issue not a federal one. So yes the Fed is overstepping.
The GA Department of Driver Services checks with USCIS before issuing you a license. The last time I went I had my passport, green card, SS card, approval letter from USCIS and Micky Mouse Club card and...couldn't get my license renewed because the "system was not talking to USCIS properly".

This is a new thing in GA (past couple of years or so) - you may not be aware of it, but it exists in GA.

Tell your "Brit friends" they have made a mistake of monumental proportions...or not as they may not sleep. Registering to vote? What dumbassery. If local, they may be OK, but if registered to vote on Federal issues, they are claiming the right to vote and by extension they are claiming to be American Citizens.

Deportation time for your mates. STRONGLY advise them to not do that again.
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The enactment of IIRIRA made foreign nationals who made false claims to U.S. citizenship to be permanently inadmissible. Also the inadmissibility applies not only to false claims to U.S. citizenship to obtain immigration benefit, but also to false claims for any purpose or benefit under any other Federal or State law such voting and doing jury service. It is not necessary for the claim to have been made to a U.S. Government official. A false claim of U.S. citizenship to a private employer on Form I-9 (Employment Eligibility Verification) made the foreign national inadmissible.
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As long as your voting for who I'm voting for, then its a great idea.
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Originally Posted by NaplesImage View Post

Over stepping to register people to vote? What's the big deal?
OK.

As long as we also issue an AR15 to them at the same time.

If we're going to remove the choice of Constitutional exercise from the citizenry, then damn it let's not monkey around.


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Originally Posted by Johnny Dreamer View Post
The GA Department of Driver Services checks with USCIS before issuing you a license. The last time I went I had my passport, green card, SS card, approval letter from USCIS and Micky Mouse Club card and...couldn't get my license renewed because the "system was not talking to USCIS properly".

This is a new thing in GA (past couple of years or so) - you may not be aware of it, but it exists in GA.

Tell your "Brit friends" they have made a mistake of monumental proportions...or not as they may not sleep. Registering to vote? What dumbassery. If local, they may be OK, but if registered to vote on Federal issues, they are claiming the right to vote and by extension they are claiming to be American Citizens.

Deportation time for your mates. STRONGLY advise them to not do that again.
Their mistake was rectified as soon as they asked me about it. In their case it was an honest mistake and they went back to the DMV immediately to straighten it out. They thought it was odd but didnt know. Dont worry im pretty up to speed on imm law.
As far as Georgia checking USCIS thats only happens for people like you that notify the DMV that they are foreign nationals. Unless theyre rolling everyones prints through IDENT they arent going to know if Joe Citizen isnt really Jose Undocumentez. US Citizens arent in USCIS as a matter of fact unless theyve been arrested or printed for something else most wont be in any system except SS and States driver licensing databases. We deal with this shit everyday and the locals are constantly calling one of the fed agencies with imm authority to determine nationality and/or citizenship.
In other words if someone doesnt tell the GA DMV theyre not a citizen hows GA gonna know?

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Originally Posted by NaplesImage View Post
From the speech today, looks like the issue will be pushed in the upcoming cycle.
Nationwide.

Seems like a good idea- Oregon has implemented it.
And California is next (MotorVoter).

Why not?
Absolutely Not!

Voting is something that should be a serious undertaking. If you're too lazy to register to vote, why should we make it automatic. Too many are voting for a living, instead of working for a living. Whatever happened to JFK's quote. "ask not what your country can do do you, but what can you do for your country".

IMO if you don't pay taxes, you don't get to vote because you don't have any skin in the game
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Originally Posted by damnedifido View Post
Their mistake was rectified as soon as they asked me about it. In their case it was an honest mistake and they went back to the DMV immediately to straighten it out. They thought it was odd but didnt know. Dont worry im pretty up to speed on imm law.
As far as Georgia checking USCIS thats only happens for people like you that notify the DMV that they are foreign nationals. Unless theyre rolling everyones prints through IDENT they arent going to know if Joe Citizen isnt really Jose Undocumentez. US Citizens arent in USCIS as a matter of fact unless theyve been arrested or printed for something else most wont be in any system except SS and States driver licensing databases. We deal with this shit everyday and the locals are constantly calling one of the fed agencies with imm authority to determine nationality and/or citizenship.
In other words if someone doesnt tell the GA DMV theyre not a citizen hows GA gonna know?
I'm not sure I follow. If you have a legitimate drivers license in GA, you will have to have proved you were either an American Citizen or a LPR (or similar) at time of issuance.

No papers, no license, amigo.

How does Jose Undocumentez get his license legitimately by pretending to be a US Citizen?

This is what you have to do to get your license as a Citizen.

Most US CITIZENS will need to bring these 4 documents:

An original or certified document to prove WHO YOU ARE such as a Birth Certificate or Passport
Your SOCIAL SECURITY CARD
Two documents showing your RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS such as a Bank Statement or Utility Bill

If you are not a US Citizen you have to go through the hoopty I do.

It may be different where you are.
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It depends on how bad the individual wants them. A person can get forgeries, which are typically easy to detect if you know what youre looking for. Real docs issued to other people that you resemble, harder to detect since they are in fact real documents. If you have the coin you can buy real docs with real numbers with your name on them. Id bet if GAs database of drivers was audited you would find an overwhelming duplication of names and socials. I know it sounds absurd that its possible but it happens. Who knows maybe GA does have it sorted, but I doubt it. Its just like any other inept govt dept. Id be willing to bet one of those IDs they take is a DL from another state, which arent hard to come by, you could walk into certain DMVs in NC and buy one for $150 not long ago. SS card and a DL with the same name 2 utility bills and bam! GA license.

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If you can prove you are a U.S. CitIzen you should be able to vote IN YOUR LOCAL VOTING LOCATION. And yes ID IS REQUIRED. My $.02.
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If you are too stupid to know how to register to vote, you shouldn't be voting to begin with.
Agreed, but dead people vote now..
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