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Old 04-08-2017, 07:19 AM
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Looks like one less car on the road, I like it
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Old 04-08-2017, 07:22 AM
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You summed most of it up pretty nicely and in doing so identified an issue for us cyclists who take on a cooperative spirit with traffic. The cyclist is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. That bike lane is almost entirely within the door zone. If the cyclist rides in the door zone he risks being doored. It is a common cause of severe bicycle injury and death.

If he rides in the lane, he risks being buzzed and berated by angry motorists who demand he ride in the bicycle lane though the don't fully appreciate why a cyclist doesn't want to.

A good friend of mine who rides with me rides in the door zone frequently. I get on her ass about it. A mutual good friend of ours lives outside DC in VA. He lives about a half mile from a dedicated bike path. He hates riding in traffic, but does over that half mile. It has a bike lane like the one in the picture that is completely within the door zone.

He got doored by a food delivery driver a week or so ago. It tore his bicep in half. It has been repaired but may never be normal again. He is in the Coast Guard. If he doesn't regain full use of his arm he will be out of a job. VA law does not place any responsibility on the person opening the door to make sure it is safe t do so. He has no legal recourse.

Ultimately you are paying for it. All the medical payments now and any future disability payments.

Door zone bike lanes suck. If they are wide enough, I ride in the outer portion. I get buzzed by motorists. Probably to teach me a lesson. I will not ride in a door zone though. Most of the time riders get doored they get knocked into traffic. Many times the get run over.
So if bicycles and riding are so dangerous then why do it? Instead you can sit on a stationary, in A/C, watch TV and bike in the Alps or wherever else is loaded in the computer. Plus you have the convenience of other gym equipment and a shower and all with not a single risk of a door or serious injury! And you would reduce traffic issues! Win/Win...
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Old 04-08-2017, 08:27 AM
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So if bicycles and riding are so dangerous then why do it? Instead you can sit on a stationary, in A/C, watch TV and bike in the Alps or wherever else is loaded in the computer. Plus you have the convenience of other gym equipment and a shower and all with not a single risk of a door or serious injury! And you would reduce traffic issues! Win/Win...
Looking at data from 2015 according to the National Highway people about 818 people were killed in bike accidents. Over 5,000 pedestrians were killed by cars. That same year over 600 people were killed in boating accidents . Admittedly more people boat than ride bikes on the road. Annually, about 12,000 people die from drowning. About 32,000 people die in auto accidents.

So, it seems to me we should never walk, never drive a car, ride a bike or boat . It is too dangerous to be alive in the world today.
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Old 04-08-2017, 08:41 AM
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Everything outlined in this thread is why I sold my road bike and only mountain bike now on off-road trails. It's just not worth it. I don't want to go out under Granny's Buick getting smashed into the asphalt.
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Old 04-08-2017, 09:48 AM
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1500 armstrong wanna be's coming to Oriental on the 28th of this month, a good weekend to open up the Hatteras house and do a little surf fishing....
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There, that should cover most of the ways people may search for it.

Bicycles seem to be a hot button topic for so many around here. There appear to be many knowledgeable members here on all sides of the issue.

Let's look at a picture, and I want you to tell me what you think.


Nicely positioned in the blind spot. Not smart.
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I believe those cars are parked.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
There, that should cover most of the ways people may search for it.

Bicycles seem to be a hot button topic for so many around here. There appear to be many knowledgeable members here on all sides of the issue.

Let's look at a picture, and I want you to tell me what you think.

Car and van are parked.

Also, I can get to work faster and less stressed-out on my ebike than in my car. Some of you need to consider trying it.
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Last weekend the tight pant, queer helmet, brigade was riding 3-4 abreast on the narrowest road in the County. Behind the gaggle of nitwits was a van, with its four way flashers on, pulling a trailer, riding behind the gaggle.

They have no right to block the roadway by riding this way, the van driver has no right to block the roadway and operate with the vehicles flashers on.

These people are complete idiots. I have no respect for any of them, or you, if you are one and conduct yourselves this way on a public road.

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I log between 6-9K miles/year on my bicycles, with injuries/health accounting for most of the variation. That's a fair bit more than I drive my vehicles. About 2/3 of my riding is on trails/paths. The rest on roads.

Inattentive and distracted motorists are a big problem. You have to ride defensively and stay sharp. Another problem is the motorists who deliberately try to cut you off or buzz you as closely as possible.

I've had very close calls with all types, but more with the distracted/clueless drivers. And for some reason, half or more of my close calls with motorists have been with people driving a Toyota Prius. I don't have an explanation for this, but I do get highly defensive whenever I cross paths with one now.

But cyclists are their own worst enemies. Too many ride recklessly, running red lights, stop signs, failng to slowdown to an appropriate speed in congested areas, riding in packs, riding abreast, wearing stealth clothing instead of hi-vis, etc etc. Some of my closest calls on the bike have actually been with other cyclists riding dangerously. There are some really serious pricks in the cycling community.

I don't ride with groups. Period. It's solo or at most one other cycling friend. Group rides are a menace, and shame on cycling clubs that promote these. It's exercise, not a social experience. Socialize back at the clubhouse or wherever.

I obey the traffic laws, just as though I am in a vehicle. Full stops at stop signs, wait for the green light, watch the speed limits, hand signals for turning, stopping, etc. I keep flashing lights running front and back day and night. Hi vis clothing always. If I am delaying traffic behind me, I pull over and let them pass.

Despite the issues with sharing the road, cycling is a blast. Pedalling on a stationary bike sucks. If that was my only option, I wouldn't bother.

For my fellow cyclists that enjoy a challenge, I encourage you to give this a try. You won't have to worry about motorists or stop signs:
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I don't have any hate. I do have places to be. The failure is of the cyclist to realize that excercize should not take precedent over everyday life. I don't mind being delayed a couple of minutes until a cyclist can give me space to safely overtake them. I do mind being delayed many minutes making me late keeping a reasonably planned schedule. I will go along with the notion that we all need to slow down a bit......but 10-20 minute cyclists delays are well beyond what the average motorist should expect or be told to "deal with, it's the law."
I see these two things mentioned often. I can't say when I am trailering my boat slowly down the highway on my way to the ramp that I think I should take a subservient position to the person behind me in the food delivery truck. Tell me just how we sort out the hierarchy. How do we know whose mission is most critical?

I and everyone else I know who has been held up by a single dumbass motorist in a single incident than they have by all bicyclists the whole of their lives.
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So if bicycles and riding are so dangerous then why do it? Instead you can sit on a stationary, in A/C, watch TV and bike in the Alps or wherever else is loaded in the computer. Plus you have the convenience of other gym equipment and a shower and all with not a single risk of a door or serious injury! And you would reduce traffic issues! Win/Win...
The number of bicycle fatalities and boating fatalities in the US is about the same each year. There are all kinds of great fishing games available and they are much less expensive than a boat.
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Old 04-08-2017, 02:04 PM
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I log between 6-9K miles/year on my bicycles, with injuries/health accounting for most of the variation. That's a fair bit more than I drive my vehicles. About 2/3 of my riding is on trails/paths. The rest on roads.

Inattentive and distracted motorists are a big problem. You have to ride defensively and stay sharp. Another problem is the motorists who deliberately try to cut you off or buzz you as closely as possible.

I've had very close calls with all types, but more with the distracted/clueless drivers. And for some reason, half or more of my close calls with motorists have been with people driving a Toyota Prius. I don't have an explanation for this, but I do get highly defensive whenever I cross paths with one now.

But cyclists are their own worst enemies. Too many ride recklessly, running red lights, stop signs, failng to slowdown to an appropriate speed in congested areas, riding in packs, riding abreast, wearing stealth clothing instead of hi-vis, etc etc. Some of my closest calls on the bike have actually been with other cyclists riding dangerously. There are some really serious pricks in the cycling community.

I don't ride with groups. Period. It's solo or at most one other cycling friend. Group rides are a menace, and shame on cycling clubs that promote these. It's exercise, not a social experience. Socialize back at the clubhouse or wherever.

I obey the traffic laws, just as though I am in a vehicle. Full stops at stop signs, wait for the green light, watch the speed limits, hand signals for turning, stopping, etc. I keep flashing lights running front and back day and night. Hi vis clothing always. If I am delaying traffic behind me, I pull over and let them pass.

Despite the issues with sharing the road, cycling is a blast. Pedalling on a stationary bike sucks. If that was my only option, I wouldn't bother.

For my fellow cyclists that enjoy a challenge, I encourage you to give this a try. You won't have to worry about motorists or stop signs:
Back when I lived in MS I had a number of routes that took me through rural Harrison county on very lightly traveled roads. We did some small group rides there and it was absolutely not a hindrance to the few vehicles we encountered. In fact, there was a level of safety in numbers.

I take some liberties with the law on my bike just as I do in the car. No big deal. Sometimes by breaking the law on the bike it actually helps the motorists.

I don't think anyone has ever been stuck behind me or a group I was riding in for more than 30 seconds. I take a very cooperative tack with other road users.

Is that you in the pic? If so, that is badass. Where is it?
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I see these two things mentioned often. I can't say when I am trailering my boat slowly down the highway on my way to the ramp that I think I should take a subservient position to the person behind me in the food delivery truck. Tell me just how we sort out the hierarchy. How do we know whose mission is most critical?

I and everyone else I know who has been held up by a single dumbass motorist in a single incident than they have by all bicyclists the whole of their lives.
I don't know that subservient is the word. I just get pissed at the attitude of many cyclists who act like cars shouldn't be on the road at all.

Entirely too many if them think that "share the road," means the same thing as "screw you motorist, we are going my speed (for miles on end) and if you don't like it you are an evil human."
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I don't know that subservient is the word. I just get pissed at the attitude of many cyclists who act like cars shouldn't be on the road at all.

Entirely too many if them think that "share the road," means the same thing as "screw you motorist, we are going my speed (for miles on end) and if you don't like it you are an evil human."
There's some of that. It's not prevalent in my neck of the woods. I certainly wouldn't be a part of a group that doesn't treat other road users respectfully. I will say that when I press for information I usually learn that the breadth of the problem motorists describe with bicyclists pales in comparison to the shit I see with other motorists every single day.
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I live in the New Orleans area now. It's a suicide mission to ride on the roads here most of the time. I only ride the roads early on weekend mornings. Thankfully we have some great paths around here. Last year I was training up to ride the RAGBRAI. That's a 400+ mile group ride across Iowa. To prepare I occasionally went and rode the backroads I used to ride when I lived in MS. There are some hills, so it made for a good training ride. I typically get treated pretty well by motorists. Never have I been treated as well as I was when I started wearing the pictured flag shirt and USA shorts with a red, white and blue helmet. I got extra wide berths, most folks slowed WAY down, no close passes at all, no engines reving to hell as they power past me. Lots of folks waved. It's almost as if the patriotic apparel somehow humanized me. I was no longer this irritating Lance Wannabe, but a patriotic person. I have worn the same get up several times and the result is always the same.

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You summed most of it up pretty nicely and in doing so identified an issue for us cyclists who take on a cooperative spirit with traffic. The cyclist is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. That bike lane is almost entirely within the door zone. If the cyclist rides in the door zone he risks being doored. It is a common cause of severe bicycle injury and death.

If he rides in the lane, he risks being buzzed and berated by angry motorists who demand he ride in the bicycle lane though the don't fully appreciate why a cyclist doesn't want to.

A good friend of mine who rides with me rides in the door zone frequently. I get on her ass about it. A mutual good friend of ours lives outside DC in VA. He lives about a half mile from a dedicated bike path. He hates riding in traffic, but does over that half mile. It has a bike lane like the one in the picture that is completely within the door zone.

He got doored by a food delivery driver a week or so ago. It tore his bicep in half. It has been repaired but may never be normal again. He is in the Coast Guard. If he doesn't regain full use of his arm he will be out of a job. VA law does not place any responsibility on the person opening the door to make sure it is safe t do so. He has no legal recourse.

Ultimately you are paying for it. All the medical payments now and any future disability payments.

Door zone bike lanes suck. If they are wide enough, I ride in the outer portion. I get buzzed by motorists. Probably to teach me a lesson. I will not ride in a door zone though. Most of the time riders get doored they get knocked into traffic. Many times the get run over.
No law on 'failure to clear the rear'? I had a girl friend lose a car door to a steee sweeper and get charged with that - but not in Virginia.
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I think it's important for everyone to obey the rules of the road regardless of what vehicle they're in/on. I constantly hear from non-cyclists how infuriated they get at cyclists for the scofflaw behavior. This affects everybody and is one of the reasons there is so much hate directed at cyclists.

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Is that you in the pic? If so, that is badass. Where is it?
That's not me (I dont dress like that), but I've ridden that stretch a couple times.

It's the Mt. Washington Auto Road. It goes unrelentingly UP for 7.6 miles without ANY downhills or even levelling out. Average grade is about 13% with sustained sections in the 18% range and the final section (in the photo above) is 23%. About 3/4 is paved, the rest is packed dirt.

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Last weekend the tight pant, queer helmet, brigade was riding 3-4 abreast on the narrowest road in the County. Behind the gaggle of nitwits was a van, with its four way flashers on, pulling a trailer, riding behind the gaggle.

They have no right to block the roadway by riding this way, the van driver has no right to block the roadway and operate with the vehicles flashers on.

These people are complete idiots. I have no respect for any of them, or you, if you are one and conduct yourselves this way on a public road.

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