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Old 08-14-2018, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post


pretty much my bitch. We have a big, active cycling community here. The specific group is headed up by a guy not too far from my house. They have a knack for screwing up every rural winding road that I frequent and have to travel, and best I can tell could care less about people that need to get places.

I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice if you post a video of you losing more than one minute of your life to a bicyclist or a group of bicyclists within the next 2 weeks. That does not include any sanctioned events that are approved by local authorities. From the way you are going on about it, you shouldn't have any trouble capturing the footage. This should be easy, let's iron out the details.

I won't make it through 6 am tomorrow before I lose one minute of my life to motorists.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Guess what parking lots were engineered for? Parking, yet somehow pedestrians and autos can manage to successfully share the space. The bike path was engineered for bicycling, but somehow I successfully share it with pedestrian, strollers, skaters and such. Guess what shipping channels were engineered for? The Gulfport Ship Channel ain't dredged to a controlling depth of 35 feet for pleasure boats. But I have successfully shared it with all manner of watercraft. It's crazy how when people aren't dicks we can peacefully coexist huh?
Why are you trying to argue with me?

You asked for opinions, I gave you mine, and I told you that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
Why are you trying to argue with me?

You asked for opinions, I gave you mine, and I told you that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.
What part of your post was I arguing with?
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:09 PM
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So your choice is that I should bicycle on the congested part of the roadway. And your reasoning sounds like "because phuc you." Noted!

Where did I admit riding a bike is inherently more unsafe?
My choice is that you choose your path on your own, but dont come looking for sympathy when none of the options are safe. Maybe it wasn't you that stated cycling on roads is inherently unsafe.
You bumpbing this thread and asking for non-cyclists to vent is the epitome of many cyclists Phuc you attitude. so, right back at ya.

But if you think that cycling on roads built solely for vehicle traffic is safe then have at it.....jsut stop asking non-cyclists what your option should be and then dismiss their answer.

You failed to address the sharing the road mantra making cyclists part of traffic and therefore part of congestion.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:22 PM
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My choice is that you choose your path on your own, but dont come looking for sympathy when none of the options are safe. Maybe it wasn't you that stated cycling on roads is inherently unsafe.
You bumpbing this thread and asking for non-cyclists to vent is the epitome of many cyclists Phuc you attitude. so, right back at ya.

But if you think that cycling on roads built solely for vehicle traffic is safe then have at it.....jsut stop asking non-cyclists what your option should be and then dismiss their answer.

You failed to address the sharing the road mantra making cyclists part of traffic and therefore part of congestion.
What kind of ingrate are you? I give you a place to whine about bicycles. You take advantage of that opportunity, then whine about me giving you the opportunity.

Further, you want to complain about cyclists being on the road, then when a cyclist gives you an example of how he might take action to stay out of your way, you complain about that.

Well, alrighty then. Good talk.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
Why are you trying to argue with me?

You asked for opinions, I gave you mine, and I told you that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.
That is the whole point of this thread.....Kinda like cyclists. Scream that everyone else should "share the road!!!" except the cyclists are not bound to the rules of the road. Kinda like cyclists lobbying for and getting bike paths, but refusing to use them.
Just like they want to argue with vehicles, Paul comes on here specifically to argue with THT members.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
What kind of ingrate are you? I give you a place to whine about bicycles. You take advantage of that opportunity, then whine about me giving you the opportunity.

Further, you want to complain about cyclists being on the road, then when a cyclist gives you an example of how he might take action to stay out of your way, you complain about that.

Well, alrighty then. Good talk.
You still failed to address cyclists being part of traffic....and part of congestion. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why?

You GIVE? That is funny.

You bait. You ask for opinions and then sh*t on them. You whine. And you present options that most people don't care about and argue when proffered solicited opinions.
None of that is given.

Typical attitude.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by olyveoil View Post
You still failed to address cyclists being part of traffic....and part of congestion. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why?

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Try to ask your question again. Apparently I am having a signature dense moment. I do NOT duck questions.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Try to ask your question again. Apparently I am having a signature dense moment. I do NOT duck questions.
Scroll up. #236.
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Old 08-14-2018, 03:02 PM
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Vehicles should share the road with bicycles, right?

Yes. Politely and carefully. Same with all the other road users.
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Old 08-14-2018, 03:17 PM
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Vehicles should share the road with bicycles, right?

Yes. Politely and carefully. Same with all the other road users.
Scroll up again. #236. Second sentence.
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Vehicles should share the road with bicycles, right?

Yes. Politely and carefully. Same with all the other road users.
go look at any cycling group website. Guarantee you will see stuff on there about motorist being safe, not harassing bikes, etc. Where in the hell on these sites is the guidance on how to peacefully coexist with motorists? That it is rude as hell to hold up traffic behind your group ride, etc? It’s nowhere to be found. I, as a motorist don’t read cycling sites for guidance on how to go down the road. The cycling community in general is self centered. If they want myself and other motorists to respect them at all, they need to make an honest attempt at not being d-bags, and make sure that this attempt is on display. Cyclist need to forget about their rights on ocassion and ask themselves how they can get along with the motoring public. “Don’t be in such a hurry” is a cop out. I guarantee they are in just as much of a hurry as everyone else when they get in their Subaru adorned with share the road stickers and a Thule rack.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:24 PM
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What part of your post was I arguing with?
Maybe it's my mistake. It came across like you thought that pleasure boats should throw common sense out the window and claim their right to be in the shipping lanes at any time they choose, and that pedestrians should do the same with bike paths regardless of the bike traffic. I was just saying that I wouldn't choose to be so reckless.
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And become a part of traffic congestion!
Better than getting clocked, I agree the truck is the best option here.
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Old 08-15-2018, 09:00 AM
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The first reason is that when you are riding on the shoulder vehicles that might enter or cross the roadway are less likely to see you, or if they see you they are less likely to treat you as traffic. I have had people look right at me and pull out.

Then there's the right hook issue. People will pass you and turn right in front of you. They rarely do that when you are in the lane.

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The two items in red are why I stopped commuting to work on my bike and riding in heavily used areas. Now I only bike on green ways (bike and pedestrian paths) or on low traffic county roads at low use times.

We can argue courtesy, laws, rights, whatever but in the end as a cyclist it does not matter a lot to me if I am within my rights and get clobbered, I'm either a bag of broken bones with road rash or dead. Setting what cyclists do to piss off motorists aside for a moment, there is not a day that goes by on my drive to work I don't see someone operating a motor vehicle unsafely. I am not willing to get out on my bike chance a run in with one of these careless people.

I was in downtown Chicago last eve along lake shore, it was a swarm of motor vehicles and cyclists. The cyclists were not following any sort of traffic laws. As a pedestrian I was much more concerned about getting hit by a bike than a car as I crossed intersections as they were flying through there. Motorists were yielding to pedestrians.

I do think downtown big city is a very different situation however than what has been discussed here as it is very clear that places like that need better cycling options rather than to mix it up with cars in a chaotic way. Thousands of people getting from place to place on a bike in a big city mixing it up with cars and the bikers acting like a swarm of bees.
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Old 08-15-2018, 12:49 PM
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I see a couple things missing in the OP's opening post/picture.

No Truck lane, No HOV lane, No motorcycle lane, no ATV/UTV lane, no golf cart lane, no pedestrian lane, and no gender neutral lane although that cyclist looks like he will likely be gender neutral in a year or so. Looks like class warfare to me.

Why is govenment picking the winners and losers. Shouldn't I be free to drive a golfcart on the highway if I choose or have golfcart lanes constructed to meet my needs? What makes bicycles special.
Bike lanes or greenways aren't being built because bicycles are special. It is because they make fiscal sense for many locations and enough people have advocated for them. We have a greenway/bike path where I live. It was built by a variety of funding sources to connect two municipalities.

Cyclists did a good portion of the fundraising. A lot of planning and advocacy went into it. It is widely used by pedestrians, runners, and cyclists for commuting, recreation, and education (old coal mines, birding, plant ID, etc.).

I believe there are a number of places in FL and GA that allow golf carts on streets. They make perfect sense in many retirement/golf course communities. I'd rather an elderly person be driving one of those than a car, to be honest. My girlfriend's father definitely should not be driving a car.

As to why some cyclists don't use greenways in NC and SC, I don't know. Maybe the greenway doesn't connect to where they want to go? I definitely have to be a little more careful around pedestrians on ours. Too many wear earbuds and never hear my bell or hear me say "on your left".
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Bike paths / lanes / etc are built because of advocacy, political pressure and bikers being special in many areas. Heck, look at the OP. Bike lanes were built, but there are countless excuses to not use.

Here in Charleston a local bike advocacy group asked (rather demanded) that SCDOT CLOSE A LANE on the Ashley River bridge to be used SOLELY for bicycles. The Ashley River Bridge was built in 1926, is less than .35 miles and is a drawbridge. Cyclists wanted a quicker cycling commute and since they are special they demand that one lane out of four be closed and used solely for cyclists.

Nevermind that traffic would back up where six lanes would merge into three instead of four and the vast majority of people that commute on that bridge would be delayed.....the cyclists are special and they deserve one quarter of a major thoroughfare.

The vote failed 7-6, but will be brought up again with the same histrionics and entitlements that were used the first go-round.
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Bike paths / lanes / etc are built because of advocacy, political pressure and bikers being special in many areas. Heck, look at the OP. Bike lanes were built, but there are countless excuses to not use.

Here in Charleston a local bike advocacy group asked (rather demanded) that SCDOT CLOSE A LANE on the Ashley River bridge to be used SOLELY for bicycles. The Ashley River Bridge was built in 1926, is less than .35 miles and is a drawbridge. Cyclists wanted a quicker cycling commute and since they are special they demand that one lane out of four be closed and used solely for cyclists.

Nevermind that traffic would back up where six lanes would merge into three instead of four and the vast majority of people that commute on that bridge would be delayed.....the cyclists are special and they deserve one quarter of a major thoroughfare.

The vote failed 7-6, but will be brought up again with the same histrionics and entitlements that were used the first go-round.
Could be. Maybe it doesn't work for that area.

I thought the lane was for both bike and pedestrian traffic?
"Councilman Henry Darby voiced his support for the bike and pedestrian lane over the Ashley River, saying the project should be left in the hands of the city."

A quick glance shows there is no way for a pedestrian or cyclist to cross that river in that area. Or is there? Neither one-way bridge looks like it has a pedestrian path. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm just wondering how a person on foot or bike safely gets from one side of the river to the other.
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Could be. Maybe it doesn't work for that area.

I thought the lane was for both bike and pedestrian traffic?
"Councilman Henry Darby voiced his support for the bike and pedestrian lane over the Ashley River, saying the project should be left in the hands of the city."

A quick glance shows there is no way for a pedestrian or cyclist to cross that river in that area. Or is there? Neither one-way bridge looks like it has a pedestrian path. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm just wondering how a person on foot or bike safely gets from one side of the river to the other.
There is a sidewalk. It's narrow. But walkers use it. Cyclists also dismount and use it.

Also the Legare bridge (SC 30) is muuuuuuch wider. Doesn't have a bike path per se. But the breakdown lane is wider than a normal lane and is used by bikes.
Cyclists demand a shorter commute and even though they constitute a tiny majority of users they want one quarter of the bridge to themselves. Think about December thru February when it is cold and those lanes would sit empty almost 24 hours per day while traffic backs up for the vocal minority.

Of course Clyburn is for it. He is great at spending money for useless projects in his much gerrymandered district as well as having buildings named after him where tens of millions of taxpayer dollars were lost. Lost as in unaccounted for.
MR. (and I use that term loosely) Clyburn proposed a brideg to and from nowhere to connect an two unincorporated towns with no Census data (Lone Star)and Rimin, SC). Esitmated combined populations of ~900 people combined. Keep in mind that I-95 is less than 16 miles away. this bridge/road was estimated to cost $70 to $110M. $9M of sunk cost is already gone for feasibility studies.
The esteemed Congressmen who is quick to play the race card was "very very proud of his earmark proposal" to "bring economic development."
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