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Lightolier 1102 -P1

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What do I call the plastic insert ring/cone that 25 years later are now cracking and I just want to replace them - can I get them on-line? I only need the black plastic insert.



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I think it is called a baffle. Google lightolier 1102-p1 and the manufacturer web page comes up. It shows the trim kits but you cannot tell which one it is. I would call the company. They are in Fall River ma
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http://www.mrelectricwholesale.com/6rekiforli.html

"Any of the trims below can be installed on an existing Lightolier 1102 Frame (TYP) with the ELOLK75 Retrofit Kit."
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Swap out those old R-30 incandescent bulbs for Halogens. A light coating of silicon dielectric grease on the base of the bulbs will ensure they can be removed easy when they burn out. And while you're at it put some nice Lutron dimmer switches. I like the on/off push button model with the night light built in and slider dimmer control. Model # escapes my mind at the moment. Dimming the bulbs not only saves electricity but also extends the life of the light bulb filament
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Originally Posted by BACKTOTHESEA View Post
I think it is called a baffle. Google lightolier 1102-p1 and the manufacturer web page comes up. It shows the trim kits but you cannot tell which one it is. I would call the company. They are in Fall River ma

Maybe they can sell me just the plastic insert......

Originally Posted by Crabpot Man View Post
http://www.mrelectricwholesale.com/6rekiforli.html

"Any of the trims below can be installed on an existing Lightolier 1102 Frame (TYP) with the ELOLK75 Retrofit Kit."
Thanks. I was hoping to be able to just buy the plastic insert not the whole metal baffle. None of these are the fixed set-up with plastic black ring insert I have now.

But I think I did have to buy the whole cone last time - cause I have one downstairs.


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Swap out those old R-30 incandescent bulbs for Halogens. A light coating of silicon dielectric grease on the base of the bulbs will ensure they can be removed easy when they burn out. And while you're at it put some nice Lutron dimmer switches. I like the on/off push button model with the night light built in and slider dimmer control. Model # escapes my mind at the moment. Dimming the bulbs not only saves electricity but also extends the life of the light bulb filament
I like the warm color of the incandescents - so far everything else I tried made my eggs turn green . can't find anything "warm" enough. I bought several cases before Home depot stopped selling them. But I may go for the LEDs - they seem to have a closer to natural light.

Anyway thanks to all.
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Investigate the cost of the LED lights VS annual savings. It really doesn't make sense, IMO. The cost of the bulb takes years and years to offset the savings in electricity.

Halogen lights aren't as expensive as LED's and dimming them will render that warm glow you desire. They are less expensive to operate in energy consumption than incandescent.

The price of LED's hasn't yet broken to the point where it makes sense to swap out an entire room let alone an entire house to make it worthwhile. IMO

Plus you want to know what the bulb is rated in Kelvin. 5000 is more to white light than 3000 which is yellowish. As with anything else you have to do your D/D before you purchase
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Originally Posted by Squidd Vicious View Post
Investigate the cost of the LED lights VS annual savings. It really doesn't make sense, IMO. The cost of the bulb takes years and years to offset the savings in electricity.

Halogen lights aren't as expensive as LED's and dimming them will render that warm glow you desire. They are less expensive to operate in energy consumption than incandescent.

The price of LED's hasn't yet broken to the point where it makes sense to swap out an entire room let alone an entire house to make it worthwhile. IMO

Plus you want to know what the bulb is rated in Kelvin. 5000 is more to white light than 3000 which is yellowish. As with anything else you have to do your D/D before you purchase
thanks I did know about the Temperature but not really sure now if I tried the Halogens in this application - I will. Thanks!
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Consider LED's. Very easy to swap out.

Available at Lowe's and HD and only need to swap out the ring and light for LED retro/replacements.

Uses existing cans, no electrical work needed, etc. 15 mins for first one (incl learning curve), 2 mins each additional.

Only decision is brightness of bulb.

Something like this https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/90...FfRj7AodInIA2A
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go with led complete unit. bulb,bezel,halo all in one $18.00
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If you want just the baffle trims and not retrofit to led you can buy inexpensive trims at econolite.com
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Replace with Lightolier B17WH or 1176WH Trims

They can be used with incandescent, halogen compact fluorescent, or LED lamps

Do not buy the LED replacement units. LED is the technology of the future, but the technology is not fully developed yet. Dimming remains disappointing. If you go this route, you are stuck with old technology.

If you want LED lamps check out the Cree R30 Flood Lamps at HD. Best choice right now
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Originally Posted by Elusive View Post
Replace with Lightolier B17WH or 1176WH Trims

They can be used with incandescent, halogen compact fluorescent, or LED lamps

Do not buy the LED replacement units. LED is the technology of the future, but the technology is not fully developed yet. Dimming remains disappointing. If you go this route, you are stuck with old technology.

If you want LED lamps check out the Cree R30 Flood Lamps at HD. Best choice right now
I disagree I have all led recessed lights in my house and you need to use a dimmer compatable with a led compatable fixture.
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Originally Posted by oceanelectric1 View Post
I disagree I have all led recessed lights in my house and you need to use a dimmer compatable with a led compatable fixture.
X2, I'm with you.

No offense, let's just agree to disagree.
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I just changed about 20 six inch recessed lights from 65 watt incandescent bulbs to LED bulbs from WalMart. About $9.00 each. 11 watts each now. Same brightness as before. When you walk in the rooms, when the lights are on, there is no noticeable heat like the old bulbs. Standard wall dimmers work fine, same as before. They pay for themselves in about 9 months with electricity savings (6 hr/day, .$.12/kwhr). Then save about $14/yr each every year thereafter.
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Originally Posted by Buoy Scout View Post
I just changed about 20 six inch recessed lights from 65 watt incandescent bulbs to LED bulbs from WalMart. About $9.00 each. 11 watts each now. Same brightness as before. When you walk in the rooms, when the lights are on, there is no noticeable heat like the old bulbs. Standard wall dimmers work fine, same as before. They pay for themselves in about 9 months with electricity savings (6 hr/day, .$.12/kwhr). Then save about $14/yr each every year thereafter.
The standard wall dimmers will work until you get to about 10 pecent usuallly and then drop out to zero. It all depends on the led components. usually you need a good led bulb and a good dimmer. for full range like a Diva dimmer. $40.00 .
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Some leds are dimmable, some not. Some fixtures will display a CRI (Color rendering index) number. 85 and higher is best. 2000- 3200 kelvin emulates incandescent bulbs, 5600 daylight. florescents and leds made for anything other than photography, tv often have quite a bit of green in their color rendition.
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Originally Posted by fireisland1 View Post
go with led complete unit. bulb,bezel,halo all in one $18.00
Yes I suspect I really have no choice but i'll call them tomorrow

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