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Old 11-10-2005, 01:22 PM
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Amazon.com Description of Thomas Gold's book [link above]:

Suppose someone claimed that we are NOT running out of petroleum. . . . Or that life on Earth began below the surface, in the dark airless pores of our planet's rocky crust. Or that oil and gas -- so-called "fossil fuels" -- are not the product of biological debris. You might expect to hear statements like these from an author of science fiction. But what if they come from a renowned scientist, someone who has been called "one of the world's most original minds"? In THE DEEP HOT BIOSPHERE, Thomas Gold sets forth truly controversial and astonishing theories: First, he proposes that Earth supports a subterranean organic domain of greater mass and volume than the biosphere -- the total sum of living things -- on its surface. Second, he proposes that the organisms inhabiting this Deep Hot Biosphere are not plants or animals but heat-loving bacteria that survive on a diet of hydrocarbons -- natural gas and petroleum. And third and perhaps most amazingly, he advances the stunning idea that most hydrocarbons on Earth are not "fossil fuels" but part of the primordial "stuff" from which Earth itself was formed some 4.5 billion years ago. The Deep Hot Biosphere may seem difficult to believe at first glance, but its theories are supported by a growing body of evidence, and by the indisputable stature and seriousness Thomas Gold brings to any scientific enterprise. In this book we see a brilliant and boldly original thinker, increasingly a rarity in modern science, as he develops revolutionary conclusions about the fundamental workings of our planet, the origins of life on Earth, the nature of earthquakes, and even the likelihood of life on -- or within -- other planets.

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Deep Hot Biosphere, sounds like a porno..

Sometimes these brainiacs really need to step back before they go and attach a name to something.. I think heat-loving.. Maybe I shouldn't go there..
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Wonder if he ever found petroleum in his granite well somewhere around Norway......

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Read it~? Buddy, I AM it ~!


No, but it does sound like a good read for winter.

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If crude oil is truly produced by the destructive distillation of dead dinosaurs
in the earths crust we could reproduce the process with better quality control.
More octane, less heptanes, higher yields of useable product.
BRING OUT YOUR DEAD! Flop them into the hopper and presto, “fill’er up with high test.”
Reminds me of the old movie “Soilent Green”

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Monstro - 11/11/2005 5:02 PM

If crude oil is truly produced by the destructive distillation of dead dinosaurs
in the earths crust we could reproduce the process with better quality control.
More octane, less heptanes, higher yields of useable product.
BRING OUT YOUR DEAD! Flop them into the hopper and presto, “fill’er up with high test.”
Reminds me of the old movie “Soilent Green”

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Way too many scars.
Exactly. If Gold is right, petroleum should be almost everwhere. Doesn't seem to be the case.
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You guys are kidding, right?
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twentynine
People thought the world was flat.
Surgeons didn’t wash their hands because germs hadn’t been discovered.
There used to be only 103 elements on the periodic table.
And some people still think there are only 9 planets in our solar system.
The list is endless and hopefully will never stop growing.
I try to teach my kids to listen to everyone.
Because even the dumbest person you meet knows something you don’t.

Hydro,
Some people see a seed, others see the plant it grows into.


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Monstro - 11/11/2005 8:58 PM twentynine People thought the world was flat. Surgeons didn’t wash their hands because germs hadn’t been discovered. There used to be only 103 elements on the periodic table. And some people still think there are only 9 planets in our solar system. The list is endless and hopefully will never stop growing. I try to teach my kids to listen to everyone. Because even the dumbest person you meet knows something you don’t. Hydro, Some people see a seed, others see the plant it grows into. Monstro, Been there, Done that, Got the scars.


Good point!
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New ideas and hypotheses in science are great, but a lot of Gold's ideas have already been disproven. As i said before, if Gold is right, there should be petroleum just about everywhere, especially near faults and shear zones. That clearly ain't the case. I've got data from water wells in NC where we've looked for petroleum compounds in the parts per trillion range and haven't seen a trace of it. Many of our wells are near fault and shear zones with deep vertical and horizontal displacement. Hydrocarbons just aren't very stable under high heat and pressure, and there don't appear to be many structural traps for them to accumulate in at depths greater than 2 miles.

Monstro - i like what you said about teaching your kids to listen to everyone. Some of the smartest people i've ever known were also some of the most unassuming. And i believe in some of S. Warren Cary's ideas about earth expansion, which are out of the mainstream now, but they would be very hard to prove and test.

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The average human produces approximately 20 cubic meters of methane each year at +-98.6 degrees F and pressures below 40 mm HG.
More than one of us has ignited one of these emissions and seen the resultant flame.
When I raced I ran methanol as fuel, Methanol close cousin of Ethanol, both can be distilled from fermented plant matter at temperatures of 170 degrees and atmospheric pressure.
Organisms were discovered deep in the Pacific Ocean near hydrothermal vents high in Hydrogen Sulfide, prompting the new term chemosynthesis.
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/vents/nemo/...synthesis.html
The earth and our technology is in such flux that the needle in the haystack we are seeking may actually be a sewing machine. Gold’s theories may all turn out to be crap but his ideas may spark an epiphany in someone else’s mind.

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This was the link that got me interested in the book.

I have no idea if any of this is factual info . . .

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http://www.freeenergynews.com/Direct...ustainableOil/

Sustainable Oil / Magma Oil

Addressing the theory in circulation that oil is not solely of organic origin, but that there may be another mode of origin as well from deeper in the crust, involving magma.

See also Peak Oil

Sterling's Preface:
There is a substantial body of evidence to support this theory. That does not negate, however, the quest for getting away from dependence on fossil fuels. The greenhouse gasses produced by the burning of such will continue to be a pressing matter that must be addressed. Now that the world has achieved a consciousness about how we treat our planet, this news that we are not so far from depleting our oil reserves is a welcome breath of fresh air, removing some of the panic effect that can foster unrest.


Supporting Evidence, Briefly

* Oil being discovered at 30,000 feet, far below the 18,000 feet where organic matter is no longer found.
* Wells pumped dry later replenished.
* Volume of oil pumped thus far not accountable from organic material alone according to present models.
* In Situ production of methane under the conditions that exist in the Earth's upper mantle. (PhysicsWeb; Sept. 14, 2004)

No Narrow Profit Margins

* Big Oil's obscene profits - Exxon Mobil, the world's largest publicly traded oil company, announced a 32 percent boost in second-quarter profits, the third-largest increase in company history. Royal Dutch Shell, the world's third-largest oil company, reported second-quarter profits up 34 percent. British Petroleum's were up 29 percent. ConocoPhillips, America's third-largest, reported profits that skyrocketed by 51 percent. (Cincinnati Post; Aug. 4, 2005)

Expounding the Theory

* Stalin and Abiotic Oil - Or How Ruppert's 'Peak Oil' Pile is Gaining Tonnage; by Dave McGowan (Educate Yourself; March 5, 2005)
* Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' is a Misleading Scam - In 1970 the Russians started drilling Kola SG-3, an exploration well which finally reached a staggering world record depth of 40,230 feet. Since then, Russian oil majors including Yukos have quietly drilled more than 310 successful super-deep oil wells, and put them into production. Last Year Russia overtook Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest single oil producer, and is now set to completely dominate global oil production and sales for the next century.
* Article > Sustainable Oil? - presents theory and evidence that oil is not solely of organic origin. (Rense.com; July 10, 2004) a reprint of Sustainable Oil (WorldNetDaily; May 25, 2004)
* Data >In situ Production of Inorganic-Derived Petroleum - Scientists in the US have witnessed the production of methane under the conditions that exist in the Earth's upper mantle for the first time. The experiments demonstrate that hydrocarbons could be formed inside the Earth via simple inorganic reactions -- and not just from the decomposition of living organisms as conventionally assumed -- and might therefore be more plentiful than previously thought. (PhysicsWeb; Sept. 14, 2004)
* Peak Oil: Can 3D Exploration Postpone The Peak? - Ability to find reserves more readily may postpone the "peak" phenomenon; general discussion of "peak oil" factors. (MSNBC; Sept. 23, 2004) (Alt Energy Blog)
* Follow-up > More Evidence For Sustainable Oil - (Rense.com; July 10, 2004)

* PhysicsWeb - Science gets hot under the crust
* Thomas Gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Book > The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels - by Thomas Gold, Ph.D. (originally published 1999)


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