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Old 02-21-2015, 08:16 AM
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I work for the government and have no desire to control citizens or strive for more control or more laws.
That's a HUGE paint brush you just used.
X2 Corey. If anything, do for yourselves I say...

As a patrolman, I respond to calls for service, easily 90% of the time my actions are driven by citizens calling the police department. At least 50% of those calls I get I shake my head and say out loud, Welcome to Russia!

Don't forget, citizens call the police with a complaint, I have to respond. If I dont, I'm in hot water.

If anything, I find citizens using the police for the most trivial BS you could imagine.

For example, 9pm Noise complaint at 123 Main Street, two adults sitting on their deck talking. Dont blame me folks, carry on and sorry to bother you tonight. There's your police state, but don't point fingers at me.
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My opinion? Its only going to get worse because half the population is getting dumber.
According to the polls taken in 2008 and 2012, that half is now 53% and 51%. Thats good news. We are getting less dumberer.
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X2 Corey. If anything, do for yourselves I say...

As a patrolman, I respond to calls for service, easily 90% of the time my actions are driven by citizens calling the police department. At least 50% of those calls I get I shake my head and say out loud, Welcome to Russia!

Don't forget, citizens call the police with a complaint, I have to respond. If I dont, I'm in hot water.

If anything, I find citizens using the police for the most trivial BS you could imagine.

For example, 9pm Noise complaint at 123 Main Street, two adults sitting on their deck talking. Dont blame me folks, carry on and sorry to bother you tonight. There's your police state, but don't point fingers at me.
I kid you not someone called me two days ago because a neighbor was barb qing on their patio and it was supposedly against the Apartment complex rules and she really expected me to do somesomething..lol
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I kid you not someone called me two days ago because a neighbor was barb qing on their patio and it was supposedly against the Apartment complex rules and she really expected me to do somesomething..lol
Police state meet the nanny state....
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... I don't mind having to explain myself a bit or jump through some hoops if...
That phrase, right there, is why the trend will never stop. Ever. It will continually get worse, but don't worry, it won't affect you as long as you're not doing anything wrong. Since you have nothing to hide you don't mind if we [pick any civil rights infringement] right?

We can make the railroads safer if we institute safety checkpoints like we have at airports.
We can make roads safer with cameras that scan every plate and face at every intersection and automatically alert police to anyone with a suspended license or lapsed insurance or registration.
We can reduce crime in cities by implementing martial law. We'll start it off slowly - first only in cities during some big news story, like the Ferguson case, then make it permanent in poorer cities, and eventually move it out to everywhere.

We will become even more of a police state over time, always under the guise of "for public safety" or "national security". And even if all the additional loss of liberty doesn't make us any safer, it just means we need more or it.

If 15 years ago I said that we could cut down on abuse of non-prescription drugs [that means ones that don't require permission from your doctor] by implementing a Federal database that scans and tracks all sales of non-prescription drugs that may be abused or possibly used in the manufacture of illegal drugs, everyone would say that it's too big-brother. Well that's what we have now, and it was slipped in as part of the Patriot Act.

One political party pushed it through, and when it was set to expire a few years later, the other political party quietly agreed to permanently keep it.

In typical statist fashion, each step will contain the following:

1) a small step, not a big deal "we already do ... so what's the big deal"
2) have some American sounding name - think of phrases like "un-American activities" or "Patriotic"
3) trade off some type of liberty, (such as privacy, freedom, Bill of Rights, etc) for some perceived increase in safety.
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What do you want to do that you can't do now?

Feds: America Should Adopt ‘Plant-Based’ Diet

Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee calls for taxing dessert, ‘electronic tracking’ of time spent watching TV

The federal committee responsible for nutrition guidelines is calling for the adoption of “plant-based” diets, taxes on dessert, trained obesity “interventionists” at worksites, and electronic monitoring of how long Americans sit in front of the television.
The Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee (DGAC) released its far-reaching 571-page report of recommendations to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Thursday, which detailed its plans to “transform the food system.”
The report is open for public comment for 45 days, and will be used as the basis by the government agencies to develop the 2015 Dietary Guidelines for Americans. The guidelines are used as the basis for government food assistance programs, nutrition education efforts, and for making “decisions about national health objectives.”
DGAC proposed a variety of solutions to address obesity, and its promotion of what it calls the “culture of health.”
“The persistent high levels of overweight and obesity require urgent population- and individual-level strategies across multiple settings, including health care, communities, schools, worksites, and families,” they said.
In response, DGAC called for diet and weight management interventions by “trained interventionists” in healthcare settings, community locations, and worksites.
“Government at local, state, and national levels, the health care system, schools, worksites, community organizations, businesses, and the food industry all have critical roles in developing creative and effective solutions,” they said.
DGAC also called for policy interventions to “reduce unhealthy options,” limit access to high calorie foods in public buildings, “limit the exposure” of advertisements for junk food, a soda tax, and taxing high sugar and salt items and dessert.
“Align nutritional and agricultural policies with Dietary Guidelines recommendations and make broad policy changes to transform the food system so as to promote population health, including the use of economic and taxing policies to encourage the production and consumption of healthy foods and to reduce unhealthy foods,” its report read.
“For example, earmark tax revenues from sugar-sweetened beverages, snack foods and desserts high in calories, added sugars, or sodium, and other less healthy foods for nutrition education initiatives and obesity prevention programs.”
The amount of sedentary time Americans spend in front of computers and TV sets is also a concern to the federal panel.
They recommended “coaching or counseling sessions,” “peer-based social support,” and “electronic tracking and monitoring of the use of screen-based technologies” as a way to limit screen time.
The screen-time recommendations came from The Community Guide, a group affiliated with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which reviewed studies that used an “electronic monitoring device to limit screen time” of teenagers.
As expected, the committee recommended that Americans move toward “plant-based” diets, after months of discussions in meetings regarding environmentalism and food policy.
DGAC said its recommendations to eat less meat are intended to “maximize environmental sustainability” out of concerns for climate change.
“The major findings regarding sustainable diets were that a diet higher in plant-based foods, such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts, and seeds, and lower in calories and animal-based foods is more health promoting and is associated with less environmental impact than is the current U.S. diet,” DGAC said.
DGAC recommended Mediterranean-style and vegetarian diets as the best options. Vegan, lacto-ovo vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian, and Mediterranean diets are the most environmentally friendly, with the least greenhouse gas emissions, it said.
“All of these dietary patterns are aligned with lower environmental impacts and provide options that can be adopted by the U.S. population,” the report said. “Current evidence shows that the average U.S. diet has a larger environmental impact in terms of increased greenhouse gas emissions, land use, water use, and energy use, compared to the above dietary patterns. This is because the current U.S. population intake of animal-based foods is higher and plant-based foods are lower, than proposed in these three dietary patterns.”
The report added, “no food groups need to be eliminated completely to improve sustainability outcomes over the current status.”
The committee also said that “altering individual and population dietary choices and patterns” would be necessary to meet its sustainability goals, as well as policy changes.
“New well-coordinated policies that include, but are not limited to, agriculture, economics, transportation, energy, water use, and dietary guidance need to be developed,” DGAC said. “Behaviors of all participants in the food system are central to creating and supporting sustainable diets.”
The report did drop its recommendation to limit cholesterol intake to no more than 300 milligrams per day, after warning of its dangers for nearly 40 years. The panel also signed off on three to five cups of coffee a day, saying moderate caffeine consumption can reduce the risks of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
DGAC concluded that in order to achieve its goal of a population-wide “culture of health,” personal health must become a “human right.”
“In such a culture, preventing diet- and physical activity-related diseases and health problems would be much more highly valued, the resources and services needed to achieve and maintain health would become a realized human right across all population strata, the needs and preferences of the individual would be seriously considered, and individuals and their families/households would be actively engaged in promoting their personal health and managing their preventive health services and activities,” they said.
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YEA>>>> in Russia you just get in a black sedan and your never to seen or heard from again... Your arguments are laughable as is your graph you made up... You think in some of those closed boarder countries they are actually reporting the truth, what about people put to instant death by countries???? OH wait that doesn't fit your argument does it.....More laughing..

by the way here you go

http://www.theguardian.com/world/dat...013-by-country


Maybe you ought to move to China, N. Korea, Iran, Irag or one other little known gems and get back to me.... Still laughing..

We can do tit for tat with links. I will win.

I will start off easy.

Private probation A judicially sanctioned extortion racket

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/01/private-probation



To most people getting snagged in one of the states revenue generating scams is just a bad day a few hundred dollars so what.

To others it leads to this horrible snowball effect when they can't pay but the sociopathic system never stops, never says "you have had enough" or we effed your life enough for your petty victimless "crime".

Oh you missed your court date and can't pay because you were in the hospital for a suicide attempt ? We don't care we want our money. We are the sociopaths of the world.

Plus we see you have an alcohol / addiction problem !!

The best doctors the in world can't cure it and can't treat it very well but if you relapse over the mental and financial pain we inflicted on you, hopelessness sorrow thoughts of death, you goto jail and get longer probation extortion. Sucker.

Find a job and ride to work every day and get us our money.
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I don't care what his signature says. He was being an ass toward me for a very petty reason, and I responded in kind. Any human being (because we are all just human beings) will receive the same treatment. You get what you give in this world, period.
You should care what it says, as it pertains to your own assertion that "you get what you give in this world, period." It's clear that he has given more than you can obviously comprehend or appreciate, yet for that he gets your disregard because you feel he was an "ass" towards you. This is typically explained by pussification, where one can't handle the heat in the kitchen so to speak, you use your interpretations of one's judgement of character and/or comment, and your perception as to why, and use those as sole integrals in your reaction to lash out and try to sound smarter, bigger, and better than the one you are engaged with, it's classic personal offense and immature reaction.

So basically you appear butt hurt, as in the boo hiss kind.

Speaking of giving and getting, what have you given? We know you already have all the getting part down pat, but what about the giving part?
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Originally Posted by Iliveonboat View Post
We can do tit for tat with links. I will win.

I will start off easy.

Private probation A judicially sanctioned extortion racket

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/01/private-probation



To most people getting snagged in one of the states revenue generating scams is just a bad day a few hundred dollars so what.

To others it leads to this horrible snowball effect when they can't pay but the sociopathic system never stops, never says "you have had enough" or we effed your life enough for your petty victimless "crime".

Oh you missed your court date and can't pay because you were in the hospital for a suicide attempt ? We don't care we want our money. We are the sociopaths of the world.

Plus we see you have an alcohol / addiction problem !!

The best doctors the in world can't cure it and can't treat it very well but if you relapse over the mental and financial pain we inflicted on you you goto jail and get longer probation extortion. Sucker.

Find a job and ride to work every day and get us our money.
If you think the justice system isnt partly about extracting money for some expensive programs your clearly not thinking... Govt main function is to extract money either by taxes or some other means and even in the criminal justice system. Forcing someone money is a form of punishment and,govts have to extract money from citizens to run, do we all agree with all the programs no....but your argument is nil...good day..
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Private probation A judicially sanctioned extortion racket

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/01/private-probation


If you note...your own cited article discusses numerous lawsuits and several jurisdictions that have declared the practice illegal.

In your historic "police states" one might expect less recourse...and more consequence.
One might expect less open criticism of bad practices.

Some might argue that our vast internet "journalism" function makes us less likely than ever to devolve into a police state.

One might argue that acts without consequence are where we are headed.

In a police state...the body pile in Ferguson is about two thousand deep.
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Originally Posted by Viceroy View Post
I don't care what his signature says. He was being an ass toward me for a very petty reason, and I responded in kind. Any human being (because we are all just human beings) will receive the same treatment. You get what you give in this world, period.
The member you are calling an azz has given more for your freedoms than you could ever know. To call him an azz truely shows your own ignorance on the entire subject and seriously questions not only your desceny but your intelligence
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If you note...your own cited article discusses numerous lawsuits and several jurisdictions that have declared the practice illegal.

In your historic "police states" one might expect less recourse...and more consequence.
One might expect less open criticism of bad practices.

Some might argue that our vast internet "journalism" function makes us less likely than ever to devolve into a police state.

One might argue that acts without consequence are where we are headed.

In a police state...the body pile in Ferguson is about two thousand deep.
Acts without consequence ? Most of the millions of people caught up in the police state nightmare never harmed anyone at all. No victim.

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

If a nation puts more of it's citizens in barbaric cages and jails than any other in history I think it qualifies as a police state.



Police barge into home to make arrest over the length of grass (caught on video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxV2vrgwJLs




; Police came barging into a woman's home because they wanted to arrest the owner for the length of her lawn. A tenant, Robyn Ruckman, recorded the encounter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cWIlxHo78s


Pay up and cut "your" grass lady. The almighty sociopathic soulless police state has spoken.
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X2 Corey. If anything, do for yourselves I say...

As a patrolman, I respond to calls for service, easily 90% of the time my actions are driven by citizens calling the police department. At least 50% of those calls I get I shake my head and say out loud, Welcome to Russia!

Don't forget, citizens call the police with a complaint, I have to respond. If I dont, I'm in hot water.

If anything, I find citizens using the police for the most trivial BS you could imagine.

For example, 9pm Noise complaint at 123 Main Street, two adults sitting on their deck talking. Dont blame me folks, carry on and sorry to bother you tonight. There's your police state, but don't point fingers at me.

X 3.... I remember one of the first calls I answered as a rookie....two grown adults arguing over who was going to drive the new van to church. You can't make this chit up.
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If a nation puts more of it's citizens in barbaric cages and jails than any other in history I think it qualifies as a police state.
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No it doesn't.

...the court system put those people in prison in accordance with established precedence and legislative direction. YOU put those people in prison as part of the electorate.

Hardly a police state under any accepted definition.

Frankly...everyone knows our rate of incarceration is a function of the war on drugs, so I'm surprised you would choose that as your basis.

If you want to lend your argument some merit...bring some broad examples of police incarcerating citizens bypassing the court system, and not in accordance with legislated law.
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Mom Arrested For Kids Playing Outside

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX4CyCI-jvQ




Anyone else going to tell me the US is not a police state ?
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Wait for it.......................
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You're a troll.
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...and arguably...a nitwit.
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