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Old 02-20-2015, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Iliveonboat View Post
I though of this topic wile looking for images about metal detectors in schools for that other thread about pocket knives for kids and there are alot of web pages calling America a police state.

I see the same sentiment on the comment section of news stories and Youtube videos all the time. And in this forum too.


Will this trend ever reverse or level off ?
Not in my opinion. We lose a little bit of freedom every time they pass a new law. Government and gov employees want as much control over citizens as they can get and will always strive for more control. More laws = more control.
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Originally Posted by Iliveonboat View Post
Interesting how no one has said I am crazy and the US is not a police state.
You have no idea what a police state is.
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Dreamer View Post
This is unforgivable.

The taxpayers paid for you to protect them. That was your job. Whether you needed the money or not does not matter. I am not sure if you worked for free as, from you car collection, we can all tell that you are wealthy, but if you did take pay, then give it back or keep quiet.

Nothing irks me more than a puffed up chest declaring they defended the freedoms and rights of an unseen and unknown American. You did your job and were compensated for it. The Americans you "defended" did their job by paying the taxes to pay for you to do the job you were tasked to do. Neither more important than the other.

How dare you ask them to pay the taxes that provide you with the resources to do your job and then question the very manner in which those resources are provided.

You were a government employee. Show some respect.
Nerve officially struck. Excellent point though.
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Originally Posted by saltwaters View Post
Not in my opinion. We lose a little bit of freedom every time they pass a new law. Government and gov employees want as much control over citizens as they can get and will always strive for more control. More laws = more control.
I work for the government and have no desire to control citizens or strive for more control or more laws.
That's a HUGE paint brush you just used.
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Originally Posted by DotRotten View Post
Excellent point though.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Dreamer View Post
This is unforgivable.

The taxpayers paid for you to protect them. That was your job. Whether you needed the money or not does not matter. I am not sure if you worked for free as, from you car collection, we can all tell that you are wealthy, but if you did take pay, then give it back or keep quiet.

Nothing irks me more than a puffed up chest declaring they defended the freedoms and rights of an unseen and unknown American. You did your job and were compensated for it. The Americans you "defended" did their job by paying the taxes to pay for you to do the job you were tasked to do. Neither more important than the other.

How dare you ask them to pay the taxes that provide you with the resources to do your job and then question the very manner in which those resources are provided.

You were a government employee. Show some respect.
Piss off JD, im not obligated to respect your opinion, which i do not, nor you mine. You are typically a poster who seizes on incendiary topics for what seems like your own entertainment. By the way, my wealth was not a result of my military service and its source is none of your business, but i will stand by my statement regardless of your judgement, which is quite meaningless to me.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Dreamer View Post
This is unforgivable.

The taxpayers paid for you to protect them. That was your job. Whether you needed the money or not does not matter. I am not sure if you worked for free as, from you car collection, we can all tell that you are wealthy, but if you did take pay, then give it back or keep quiet.

Nothing irks me more than a puffed up chest declaring they defended the freedoms and rights of an unseen and unknown American. You did your job and were compensated for it. The Americans you "defended" did their job by paying the taxes to pay for you to do the job you were tasked to do. Neither more important than the other.

How dare you ask them to pay the taxes that provide you with the resources to do your job and then question the very manner in which those resources are provided.

You were a government employee. Show some respect.
U.S. Service members pay taxes too, and by defending the very freedom in which their service provides, also grants them to the same freedoms as the people in which they defend enjoy, such as speech and opinion. We don't have to like everyone in our country benefiting from our service and the services of those who served before us, no matter if they paid taxes that funded the military or not. The burden of thanks is not upon the serving member, but rather the rest of the folks who get to stay home and relax while others are out doing the job, and especially the elitist pukes spewing mindless bullchit from their parents basement who weren't strong enough, didn't have the gumption, nor a sense of patriotic duty to pick up a rifle and stand a watch. Lumping government employees in general with combat veterans is a grossly disproportionate comparison.

Were you among the people who spit on Vietnam vets when they came home? Do you expect veterans to return home maimed, dysfunctional, and forever scarred only to thank you for paying taxes that funded their paychecks while they fought the war for you? How about the MIA/KIA, do you expect the surviving family members to thank you for contributing to their paychecks?

You sound like this, "I paid you to go to war for me, you owe me thanks and respect, how dare you have an opinion or say anything I disagree with, be quiet because I funded your check."

"Show some respect?"
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On the contrary, I respect the excellence you obviously must have brought to your job to attain the heights you did. It just would be nice if you afforded some respect to all your fellow Americans some of whom you are so ashamed at having defended.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Dreamer View Post
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On the contrary, I respect the excellence you obviously must have brought to your job to attain the heights you did. It just would be nice if you afforded some respect to all your fellow Americans some of whom you are so ashamed at having defended.
I did my job with respect to the United States Constitution, not any individual. I feel it was an honor and a privilege to have served in defense of the Constitution. I respect the Constitution. Many men who are protected by this Constitution do not have my respect. That does not seem an obtuse perspective.
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"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance tot he same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

Doesnt say i have to respect any man. Some earn respect, many do not. It is that simple to me.
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this is an interesting thread and one that I'm glad, so far, hasn't reached the Bilge because I will no longer participate at that point. But I do find both sides of the argument making valid points. If this discourse can continue without the aggressive verbiage exhibited by some, we might...MIGHT...keep this topside.
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Doesnt say i have to respect any man. Some earn respect, many do not. It is that simple to me.

This might be one of the reasons this country is heading down hill. I have respect for everyone until they prove otherwise. My family has given a lot more than many military wise and none of them come off as anything more than proud to serve their country. I was the first male in my family to go to college after graduation and the ones that were most proud of my decision where the family members that had served. (long line of Marines).
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[QUOTE=DotRotten;7586530]Doesnt say i have to respect any man. Some earn respect, many do not. It is that simple to me.

This might be one of the reasons this country is heading down hill. I have respect for everyone until they prove otherwise. My family has given a lot more than many military wise and none of them come off as anything more than proud to serve their country. I was the first male in my family to go to college after graduation and the ones that were most proud of my decision where the family members that had served. (long line of Marines).[/QU

I think i said quite clearly that it was an honor to serve, as my father and grand father before me. I treat all with respect, but it does not mean i respect anyones opinion or behavior simply because they were a taxpayer as Johnny indicated.
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Originally Posted by Iliveonboat View Post
I though of this topic wile looking for images about metal detectors in schools for that other thread about pocket knives for kids and there are alot of web pages calling America a police state.

I see the same sentiment on the comment section of news stories and Youtube videos all the time. And in this forum too.


Will this trend ever reverse or level off ?
I don't know...but they still have tin foil on sale down at the WalMart...
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Why is it I get the feeling that Mr. Viceroy is a reincarnated banned member since he just joined in Feb now stirring all the pot.
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Doesnt say i have to respect any man. Some earn respect, many do not. It is that simple to me.

This might be one of the reasons this country is heading down hill. I have respect for everyone until they prove otherwise. My family has given a lot more than many military wise and none of them come off as anything more than proud to serve their country. I was the first male in my family to go to college after graduation and the ones that were most proud of my decision where the family members that had served. (long line of Marines).[/QU

I think i said quite clearly that it was an honor to serve, as my father and grand father before me. I treat all with respect, but it does not mean i respect anyones opinion or behavior simply because they were a taxpayer as Johnny indicated.
Yes and agreed. My point being is everyone's opinion should be respected. Thats how government should work. I may be wrong but I think JD was commenting on the chest pounding that you served and your opinion means more than those that didn't.
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OK gentlemen, ya'll have a safe Friday eve.

I have to brave the cold NYC and try to enjoy the night without running into NY's finest in one of the worst police/nanny states we have.

Be safe.
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Yes and agreed. My point being is everyone's opinion should be respected. Thats how government should work. I may be wrong but I think JD was commenting on the chest pounding that you served and your opinion means more than those that didn't.
I dont think i chest pounded, but if thats the way it came across to Johnny, then he is misreading the statement as i intended, and my apologies. I will say that i respect every ones RIGHT to have an opinion, but it doesnt mean i respect, accept, or support that particular standpoint. I think that is basic human nature.
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
I hear you but to me, I don't mind having to explain myself a bit or jump through some hoops if I want to buy one legally.

I also wouldn't want what you propose, allowing anyone to carry and buy anything (not to derail). I am happy that not everyone can.

If it really irked me, I could just move to a state that was less restrictive, but it's a balance, as is most things.
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Yep, but I am also OK with more CCTV as it is a big help catching criminals
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I'll admit it here and now, I never got a ticket I didn't deserve and I've also broken the law a million times more and never got a ticket.

That includes speeding, red light cameras when I knew I was trying to beat a light, etc.

I even got a driving in a carpool, speeding and crossing the double yellow line all in one ticket (my trifecta), and you know what, deserved it and it was all pretty reckless.

I've also gotten breaks from cops too, when they didn't have to give me breaks.
I guess it's people like you we have to thank for all the cameras then, huh? I've never got a ticket. You know why? I follow the law. Maybe you and your ilk should try the same? Seems awful big of you to come here and brag about your illegal driving habits, and, feel secure not just "anybody" can own a gun. I think your drivers license should be revoked. I know my ccw would be if I publicly bragged about breaking gun laws.




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This is unforgivable.

The taxpayers paid for you to protect them. That was your job. \ Show some respect.

You, sir, should be horse whipped.
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I dont think i chest pounded, but if thats the way it came across to Johnny, then he is misreading the statement as i intended, and my apologies. I will say that i respect every ones RIGHT to have an opinion, but it doesnt mean i respect, accept, or support that particular standpoint. I think that is basic human nature.
Basic human nature is "kill or be killed" I don't stand on the same side of the fence as dreamer but we're much better off sometimes if we don't condemn the other side.
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