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Mr. Demeanor 12-23-2014 07:13 AM

Hands up dont shoot
 
How fast can you react?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=89T_9Fbz7eY

CUTiger2011 12-23-2014 09:33 AM

Well done. Looks like he may have dropped one of his full mags while trying to reload though.

John_Madison CT 12-23-2014 10:22 AM

The cop should assume its a toy gun. :roll::roll

Eastport205 12-23-2014 10:35 AM

It's good to see so much support for Law Enforcement here.

HarleyFLHP 12-23-2014 10:39 AM

The perp did have his hands up. Cop should have waited until he was ACTUALLY hit before returning fire. :roll

Sudden Strike Fishing 12-23-2014 12:21 PM

The cop looks to be a very poor shot with slow reaction and it took way to long to reload. That clearly shows a lack of practice skills on his part.. To many people think that shooting once or twice a year is sufficient. It is not for any civilian wanting to protect themselves or their family and it sure is hell is not for a cop that could be put into that situation at any time on a daily basis.

HarleyFLHP 12-23-2014 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Sudden Strike Fishing (Post 7399926)
The cop is a terrible shot and it took way to long to reload. That clearly shows a lack of practice skills on his part.. To many people think that shooting once or twice a year is sufficient. It is not for any civilian wanting to protect themselves or their family and it sure is hell is not for a cop that could be put into that situation at any time on a daily basis.

Were you ever in a shooting?

Sudden Strike Fishing 12-23-2014 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by HarleyFLHP (Post 7399931)
Were you ever in a shooting?

No, I don't have to be in a shooting to recognized a lack of ongoing training. You train so you do not have to think about what you are supposed to do. It become second nature. Some cops think their annual qualification is training. It is not. All it is designed to do is meet minimal standards. Ongoing training is what makes a difference. It took well over 6 seconds to do a mag change. Anyone with some ongoing training could do it in less than 2 seconds.

parker23dvsc 12-23-2014 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Sudden Strike Fishing (Post 7399960)
No, I don't have to be in a shooting to recognized a lack of ongoing training. You train so you do not have to think about what you are supposed to do. It become second nature. Some cops think their annual qualification is training. It is not. All it is designed to do is meet minimal standards. Ongoing training is what makes a difference. It took well over 6 seconds to do a mag change. Anyone with some ongoing training could do it in less than 2 seconds.

I love to hear paper target commandos talk weapons and tactics! Tell us more please!

Sudden Strike Fishing 12-23-2014 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by parker23dvsc (Post 7399972)
I love to hear paper target commandos talk weapons and tactics! Tell us more please!

Well since I run the largest gun range in South Florida where numerous local, military, and federal agencies train and qualify on a regular basis as well as numerous private tactical instructors I get to see their training regiments and their skills or lack of skills. It is very apparent who trains on a continuous basis and who does not. It is probably the number one complaint of their instructors about their people who have poor skills and do nothing to improve on it. Do you think they will improve their skills sitting on their ass eating doughnuts.

airedog 12-23-2014 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Sudden Strike Fishing (Post 7399999)
Well since I run the largest gun range in South Florida where numerous local, military, and federal agencies train and qualify on a regular basis as well as numerous private tactical instructors I get to see their training regiments and their skills or lack of skills. It is very apparent who trains on a continuous basis and who does not. It is probably the number one complaint of their instructors about their people who have poor skills and do nothing to improve on it. Do you think they will improve their skills sitting on their ass eating doughnuts.

Dude, you just got spanked!!!


Hahahahaha

dpcarson 12-23-2014 12:49 PM

Think what you want, but until you can slam a needle into their chest with a shot of adrenalin and then start shooting at them, you have no way to simulate that situation in a training environment. Conditioned and practiced response is a great thing but trying to pull a second mag and slam it home with your hands shaking from the adrenalin surge is no easy task and not something that can be simulated on any range.

Oh, and follow on something else (dropped mag), this is also why some commissioner or council person should not be picking gear from a damn catalog either just because it looks pretty.

mullet76 12-23-2014 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by parker23dvsc (Post 7399972)
I love to hear paper target commandos talk weapons and tactics! Tell us more please!

He's probably in paint ball special opps, those guys really know their stuff. :roll

Sudden Strike Fishing 12-23-2014 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by dpcarson (Post 7400021)
Think what you want, but until you can slam a needle into their chest with a shot of adrenalin and then start shooting at them, you have no way to simulate that situation in a training environment. Conditioned and practiced response is a great thing but trying to pull a second mag and slam it home with your hands shaking from the adrenalin surge is no easy task and not something that can be simulated on any range.

Oh, and follow on something else (dropped mag), this is also why some commissioner or council person should not be picking gear from a damn catalog either just because it looks pretty.

That I will 100% agree upon. But if you have the skills from ongoing training you have a much better chance to remember your training than someone who goes out once or twice a year to shoot at paper for a minimal score to keep their job. I have seen many training scenarios that required the shooters to get an increased heart rate by running or doing vigorous exercise before shooting. Now while it can't replace an actual shooting scenario it is better than nothing.

CUTiger2011 12-23-2014 12:59 PM

And unsubscribe. That didn't take any longer than expected.

dpcarson 12-23-2014 01:01 PM

Sorry CU, not taking a shot at your or anybody else. Not my style.
I should have just said that adrenalin is a bitch.

Sudden Strike Fishing 12-23-2014 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by mullet76 (Post 7400046)
He's probably in paint ball special opps, those guys really know their stuff. :roll

Although we do not offer any paintball training options if you had any clue you would know that paintball is also used quit frequently as a training tool as well for various agencies. It is cost effective for agencies with minimal budgets to do force on force training without having to spend the money on expensive simunitions. They are used quite a bit by SWAT or SRT teams because most of the paintball venues are built in warehouse type environments that can be changed for virtually any scenario they need to train for.

parker23dvsc 12-23-2014 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Sudden Strike Fishing (Post 7399999)
Well since I run the largest gun range in South Florida where numerous local, military, and federal agencies train and qualify on a regular basis as well as numerous private tactical instructors I get to see their training regiments and their skills or lack of skills. It is very apparent who trains on a continuous basis and who does not. It is probably the number one complaint of their instructors about their people who have poor skills and do nothing to improve on it. Do you think they will improve their skills sitting on their ass eating doughnuts.

So if you design the tire for a fighter plane does that make you a fighter pilot?

CUTiger2011 12-23-2014 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by dpcarson (Post 7400060)
Sorry CU, not taking a shot at your or anybody else. Not my style.
I should have just said that adrenalin is a bitch.

No, wasn't your comments at all. I fully agree with your comments on who likely makes the gear selections.

I already knew it was going to go downhill, sort of like visiting the bilge and then complaining about the content of the discussion :grin:

Mr. Demeanor 12-23-2014 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Sudden Strike Fishing (Post 7399999)
Well since I run the largest gun range in South Florida where numerous local, military, and federal agencies train and qualify on a regular basis as well as numerous private tactical instructors I get to see their training regiments and their skills or lack of skills. It is very apparent who trains on a continuous basis and who does not. It is probably the number one complaint of their instructors about their people who have poor skills and do nothing to improve on it. Do you think they will improve their skills sitting on their ass eating doughnuts.

Then you should know that while training is very important, NOBODY knows how they will perform under live fire until it actually happens. Many documented cases of HIGHLY trained personnel curling up in a fetal position when the shit actually hits the fan.


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