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Old 12-19-2014, 04:32 AM
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About 45-percent of killings at the hands of police officers don’t show up in the FBI’s stats on justifiable homicides, making it difficult to determine how many incidents happen each year, a Wall Street Journal report has found.

The Journal put data from 105 of the country’s largest police agencies up against the FBI’s numbers and found more than 550 police killings were missing from the national tally or, in a small number of cases, not linked to the agency involved.

According to the Journal’s analysis, more than 1,800 police killings occurred within the 105 agencies from 2007 to 2012. During the same span, the FBI recorded 1,242 police killings
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/hundreds...77504?mod=e2tw

I've read this report on a few sites but none state (that I could see) if it is just a simple difference in classification or if it is a deliberate effort to deceive. Anyway, more fuel to the fire I'm sure.
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What's your point? I know Philly police in just 2006 shot around 112 people and 68 of those died. I'm also guessing every one of those 112 were doing something they shouldn't have been.
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Wonder why its the FBI's business to start with. Aren't most LE subject to local and state jurisdiction?
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Just read an article on this. US police officers kill more citizens than any other country in the world. Around 450 people a year.
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Unless the FBI has a specific study that gives the number of LEO shootings that result in deaths and there are obvious data omissions, I would say it's most likely a statistical anomaly. Justifiable homicide would also include any such incident...not just those involving a LEO.
And you are correct...you are throwing gasoline on the fire.
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Holy crap JD, you write for the WSJ now?

Well done my friend.
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Wonder why its the FBI's business to start with. Aren't most LE subject to local and state jurisdiction?
The FBI compiles a Uniform Crime Report and publishes the results annually. They have been doing this since 1930. The idea for the report originally came from a international association of police chiefs. Among other things, the report is intended to standardize how US crime statistics are collected and classified, regardless how they might be classified within individual states.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr
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About 45-percent of killings at the hands of police officers don’t show up in the FBI’s stats on justifiable homicides, making it difficult to determine how many incidents happen each year, a Wall Street Journal report has found.

The Journal put data from 105 of the country’s largest police agencies up against the FBI’s numbers and found more than 550 police killings were missing from the national tally or, in a small number of cases, not linked to the agency involved.

According to the Journal’s analysis, more than 1,800 police killings occurred within the 105 agencies from 2007 to 2012. During the same span, the FBI recorded 1,242 police killings
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/hundreds...77504?mod=e2tw

I've read this report on a few sites but none state (that I could see) if it is just a simple difference in classification or if it is a deliberate effort to deceive. Anyway, more fuel to the fire I'm sure.
I am more interested in the number of rounds that were used to kill this small number of thugs. As for the FBI, who is shocked over their inability to count correctly?
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Educate me how this is an effort to deceive????

There is not a police shooting that goes on in this Country that is not investigated by a State Attorneys Office or District Attorneys Office..

The shootings are always on the front page of ANY local newspaper..

Just exactly how is that an effort to deceive?

I have NEVER seen raw data that is collected that was not manipulated by the end user one way or another. MEANING depending on how you look at raw data it can always be culled or separated into different categories depending on your criteria you use to evaluate it.

This is just another article by media to make up an issue were there isn't really one..

BTW.. Don't let common sense and facts get in the way of a good story, the news media doesn't, nor do you apparently..

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What's your point? I know Philly police in just 2006 shot around 112 people and 68 of those died. I'm also guessing every one of those 112 were doing something they shouldn't have been.
Yeah, interacting with Philly police!
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Just read an article on this. US police officers kill more citizens than any other country in the world. Around 450 people a year.
There is no way that is accurate. I don't care what the source is.
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Educate me how this is an effort to deceive????

There is not a police shooting that goes on in this Country that is not investigated by a State Attorneys Office or District Attorneys Office..

The shootings are always on the front page of ANY local newspaper..

Just exactly how is that an effort to deceive?

I have NEVER seen raw data that is collected that was not manipulated by the end user one way or another. MEANING depending on how you look at raw data it can always be culled or separated into different categories depending on your criteria you use to evaluate it.

This is just another article by media to make up an issue were there isn't really one..

BTW.. Don't let common sense and facts get in the way of a good story, the news media doesn't, nor do you apparently..

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I said what you did genius, but with fewer words.
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Originally Posted by tint dude View Post
Just read an article on this. US police officers kill more citizens than any other country in the world. Around 450 people a year.



Study: Half of black males, 40 percent of white males arrested by age 23... The study even excludes arrests for minor traffic violations...The study, published on Monday in the journal Crime & Delinquency, found that nearly half (49 percent) of African-American men and 40 percent of white men have been arrested by the age of 23, "which can hurt their ability to find work, go to school and participate fully in their communities,".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4549620.html


It only makes sense that the worlds leader in arrests would be the worlds leader in police killings when we have govt men with guns are confronting citizens to arrest them at the worlds highest rate.
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I said what you did genius, but with fewer words.
Not exactly what you wrote, Sport

"or if it is a deliberate effort to deceive"

You implied the FBI might be deceiving on purpose..
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I have NEVER seen raw data that is collected that was not manipulated by the end user one way or another.
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Not exactly what you wrote, Sport

"or if it is a deliberate effort to deceive"

You implied the FBI might be deceiving on purpose..
You said the same thing. See?
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Such a blanket statement seems to have an agenda. Comparing our LE killing rate just in general means nothing. How many officers per capita does the U.S. have compared to other countries? How many contacts do U/S LEO's make compared to other countries? You see, when the author of an article starts said article with an agenda, you rarely get the "whole story".
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
Not exactly what you wrote, Sport

"or if it is a deliberate effort to deceive"

You implied the FBI might be deceiving on purpose..
The situation that is being reported is that the police departments are being deliberately deceptive in their reporting to the FBI, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by DFreedom View Post
Such a blanket statement seems to have an agenda. Comparing our LE killing rate just in general means nothing. How many officers per capita does the U.S. have compared to other countries? How many contacts do U/S LEO's make compared to other countries? You see, when the author of an article starts said article with an agenda, you rarely get the "whole story".
The number of Americans killed by LE "means nothing" unless we know how many cops there are?

If we have the fewest cops, or the most cops, what effect does that have on the number of dead Americans by cops?
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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
The number of Americans killed by LE "means nothing" unless we know how many cops there are?

If we have the fewest cops, or the most cops, what effect does that have on the number of dead Americans by cops?
Right, and what is the total number of offenders. These numbers mean nothing without knowing the size and scope of the participants.
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Right, and what is the total number of offenders. These numbers mean nothing without knowing the size and scope of the participants.
"offenders" In the USA seems everything is becoming an offense.


Police came barging into a woman's home because they wanted to arrest the owner for the length of her lawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxV2vrgwJLs

You don't have to be a conspiracy nut job to realize America has become a police state.

A woman from Cape Coral, Florida is being forced out of her home after local code enforcement teams found out she was “living off the grid.”

The women, Robin Speronis, told her story to WFTX-TV who featured her lifestyle on the local news. The day after her story aired, where they talked about her “Off Grid” lifestyle, the City of Cape Coral sent code enforcement officers to post “notice to vacate” signs on her property.

http://offgridsurvival.com/evicted-f...-off-the-grid/

This week the tasering of a 76 year old man.

VIDEO: TX Cop Tasers 76-Year-Old Man with Expired Vehicle Inspection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Gn6b8v3hU

Many 76 year olds have heart conditions that don't react well to tasers.


There is no way to run a softer kinder police state, its an impossible task so I guess the killings will continue.
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