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Old 06-11-2014, 06:26 PM
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"Gotham city" has agreed to pay "$xxx.xx dollars" to a person wrongly arrested for recording police. Should taxpayers or individual police officers be held accountable in such incidents?
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Seriously dude, let it go...
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Seriously dude, let it go...
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My position would be if a LEO knowingly breaks the law or just plain makes up his own law to suit him at the time because he does not know that particular law, or does not agree with it, then yes hold him or her accountable. Why should the taxpayers pay?

Give them a reason to not do the above. Police job is to enforce the law, not interpret as they see fit. If someone is empowered to arrest you, they should know the law inside and out, if not don't make the arrest or the confiscation in the first place. The exception I would like to see would be when a policeman's superiors train and teach them to do something questionable, then the liability should shift to the superiors personally.

Case in point, we recently had a prisoner being transported to jail in belly chains and handcuffs, he escaped on foot. The police chief ordered the police to do a door to door search, if no one answered the door they were to check to see if the doors were unlocked and to go in the unlocked homes and look for the escapee???? With no warrants. The police chief said public safety trumped our rights. The next day the chief issued a statement warning city residents to lock their homes up as the police were amazed at how many homes were unlocked and they were able to enter. In my eyes that was just plain wrong and this Police chief should be held accountable.
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My position would be if a LEO knowingly breaks the law or just plain makes up his own law to suit him at the time because he does not know that particular law, or does not agree with it, then yes hold him or her accountable. Why should the taxpayers pay?

Give them a reason to not do the above. Police job is to enforce the law, not interpret as they see fit. If someone is empowered to arrest you, they should know the law inside and out, if not don't make the arrest or the confiscation in the first place. The exception I would like to see would be when a policeman's superiors train and teach them to do something questionable, then the liability should shift to the superiors personally.

Case in point, we recently had a prisoner being transported to jail in belly chains and handcuffs, he escaped on foot. The police chief ordered the police to do a door to door search, if no one answered the door they were to check to see if the doors were unlocked and to go in the unlocked homes and look for the escapee???? With no warrants. The police chief said public safety trumped our rights. The next day the chief issued a statement warning city residents to lock their homes up as the police were amazed at how many homes were unlocked and they were able to enter. In my eyes that was just plain wrong and this Police chief should be held accountable.
I would tend to agree, the policy makers should bare some of the burden but I abhor the response that amounts to little more than I was just following orders and it should not absolve those who know or should have known that they were violating the rights of others.
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The way the public sector is set up, the tax payer gets the tab on screw ups. That's not going to change. LEO are the hot target on here these days, but its across the board. It is simply the way a democratic government works. People elect officials, and essentially then out their trust in the elected officials to make the right decisions.

When the ACA crashes and burns, who is going to get stuck with the tab? When a state or federally contracted construction project Goes over budget, who eats the tab?

I know these sound like apples To oranges comparisons, but if you look at it from the big picture, its all the same.

I might not agree with this on a personal level, but that's just how things work.
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I'd cast a vote if another option was presented:

c. taxpayers, and possibly LEO, depending on whether a policy was blatantly violated that caused harm to people or property
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There was a pizza joint up the road in Montross. Police did a sting and busted the owner for drug dealing. Meth I believe. They did it based on a very unreliable douchbag that was trying to get out of other crimes he had done so he kind of set the guy up. Now, think what happens in a small town when a prominent owner of the main restaurant gets nailed for something like this. No one went to his restaurant for awhile.

The owner was found not guilty and is now launching a civil suit personally against the policeman who did this to him.
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We should impose a new THT rule...If you want to start a thread about LEO's, Pitbulls, or Peruvian threesomes, you gotta first kick in to the AFD fund....$50 sounds about right...
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When a citizen is seriously wronged by ANY gov't official, including LE, that person should have massive recourse in terms of litigation. Of course, like every other well-intended idea/law that would open the door for tons of frivolous garbage by the scumbags....er, lawyers.

The Feds have over-stepped their boundaries so many times without any fear of recourse it's disgusting. Read "Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent " and you'll be shocked at how broad and vague Federal law is.

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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
I'd cast a vote if another option was presented:

c. taxpayers, and possibly LEO, depending on whether a policy was blatantly violated that caused harm to people or property
Yeah, it's not a very good poll but I'm mimicking one that I found on a newspaper's website.
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There are extreme cases where the PO or dept. in general should be fined or liable, but over all if you were going to hold an individual responsible for a mistake cops would never make an arrest.
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Tell you what B1rdman, modify the poll to add "should all baiting, LEO bashing, pit bull threads be added to the bilge list of contents?" and I'll vote!
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Tell you what B1rdman, modify the poll to add "should all baiting, LEO bashing, pit bull threads be added to the bilge list of contents?" and I'll vote!
You forgot about grits! That thread claimed a few already.

Seriously though, you don't have to vote if you don't want to. We only have a small sample and it's consistent with the poll that I'm mimicking.

That one has 1345 votes.

28% Taxpayer
72% Police Officer

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LEO's are liable in civil court. There are possible civil sanctions for most anything a LEO does. Improper actions, improper use of information, improper use of databases, improper release of information, civil rights violations, and on and on. Problem is people don't want to suit shallow pockets so they go after the counties (or cities) deep pockets.
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The answer has already been determined, do some research and get back to us with the answer. Week 1 of the academy stuff right here...

With respect to your poll, the question is exceedingly vague and broad in scope.
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
Hypothetical.

"Gotham city" has agreed to pay "$xxx.xx dollars" to a person wrongly arrested for recording police. Should taxpayers or individual police officers be held accountable in such incidents?
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Originally Posted by Hooper View Post
The answer has already been determined, do some research and get back to us with the answer. Week 1 of the academy stuff right here...
He wasn't asking which does but who should.

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Hypothetical.

"Gotham city" has agreed to pay "$xxx.xx dollars" to a person wrongly arrested for recording police. Should taxpayers or individual police officers be held accountable in such incidents?
reelyreely is on point as to why the taxpayers so often bear the burden when it comes to the misconduct and or incompetence of government employees.
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