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Old 05-30-2014, 11:37 AM
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Anyone following this story on CNN, what a terrible system,
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Old 05-30-2014, 11:38 AM
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You lost me at CNN.
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Old 05-30-2014, 11:45 AM
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Very sad - VA here has treated me very well.. Have seen great improvements here through the years -Apparantly Arizona has a bad hospital or 2 - even if it is systemic and not mostly a media creation - not sure one man is gonna make a difference..
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I learned a long time ago that you can only delegate authority, and never responsibility. So, he was a lousy boss. Now we need a new guy, plus congress has to provide funds to take care of our vets,
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I will have to say that my personal experience with the VA has been for the most part good.

If the allegations in Arizona are correct, they should claw back any performance bonuses that have been payed as well as any pay accrued through merit and performance based promotions, and fire anyone involved. If indeed these actions have caused the death of even one veteran, those involved should be prosecuted for manslaughter.

My understanding is that some people have been put on administrative leave (payed vacation) while the VA and administration decide how to make this most current scandal go away. Oh wait I mean investigate these allegations. I mean after all this was only brought to light in 2005, they need time for a fair and thorough investigation.

The only reason for our fearless leader not to fire Shinseki is the same as almost any political RESIGNATION. If they fire someone, they may piss them off enough for them to open up about all the underhanded crap that goes on. Therefore the accepted method is to allow them to resign with as much dignity as they can, all to often, to be handed another position far removed from the scandal. Our federal government, nepotism and cronyism at it's worst.

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Talk to any doctor who has done any time at a VA either in their training (myself) or career and they will tell you to a man / woman that the VA system is the most broken, wasteful, inefficient behemoth of a charlie foxtrot they have ever been associated with. The patients, however, are the freakin' best! When this news came out, all my colleagues and I all proclaimed hearty, "No Shit!" in unison.
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Talk to any doctor who has done any time at a VA either in their training (myself) or career and they will tell you to a man / woman that the VA system is the most broken, wasteful, inefficient behemoth of a charlie foxtrot they have ever been associated with. The patients, however, are the freakin' best! When this news came out, all my colleagues and I all proclaimed hearty, "No Shit!" in unison.
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Exactly. And let's just say that the ancillary folks, in general, aren't very "motivated". (Read: government employee)
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Talk to any doctor who has done any time at a VA either in their training (myself) or career and they will tell you to a man / woman that the VA system is the most broken, wasteful, inefficient behemoth of a charlie foxtrot they have ever been associated with. The patients, however, are the freakin' best! When this news came out, all my colleagues and I all proclaimed hearty, "No Shit!" in unison.
Haven't been in the system since training, 25 years ago..emergencies got priority, otherwise wait in line, a lot of 9-5 workers, meant the OR shuts down at 3.. Assuming the money for "elective" procedures hadn't run out that month..

Docs pays low compared to the outside, hard to attract md's

Public system is heading this way...aca etc..IMHO
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The patients are the best!!! The "organization" suffers mightily from mis-management. The workers left to care for the patients are constantly "managed" by budget influences, lousy H. R. that can't/won't hire people until someone leaves. This leaves the existing staff to do the extra work while two or three months go by and nobody is hired. This was rife in many different departments. Morale suffers from these pressures.

Fiddling with waiting lists, and deceiving the VET is unconscionable. I wish heads would roll, and the malfeasers be replaced by willing people of integrity. (There are many in the VA)
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It's just government. Waste, fraud, and abuse are the norm. Obamacare will be different though
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The VA should close. Vets should be given a free ride with Obamacare.
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The VA should close. Vets should be given a free ride with Obamacare.
WHOA.............

YOU deal with Obama care. I paid for my VA care, in full, long ago. It is finally very good IMHO, and I want it just the way it is here at West Palm Beach.
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The VA should close. Vets should be given a free ride with Obamacare.
I mis-stated. Give the vets free vouchers to go to the dr and hospital of their choice. I still say close the VA......more govt waste.
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No doubt there is a bureaucracy with the normal waste and maybe some fraud but having been a VA user and as someone who gets totally free healthcare form my private (employer pension) provider I had been primarily a user off the private system. So here is a slightly off topic observation. This is only MY personal experience locally and at the West Haven (where you get YALE medical school interns) and especially Newington CT VA hospitals.

And it is a shame if this stuff is either local or widespread and look, at least with all this worship of all things veteran and Military, it will be fixed but you know what - there will always be local problems just like every other system and there will also be whiners and complainers just like every other aspect of life in the new I WANT IT NOW and I WANT IT FREE! 21st century America.

This is a great story for the media - government ineptitude and its a Benghazi for these called right groups. So it has major legs no matter what, for better AND worse.

So here are some of MY personal observations that may not be typical and I claim to be no spokesman for any group.


Office wait time at private ophthalmologist 45 minutes - at the VA ZERO. Yes it took 2 weeks to get an appointment but my private care provider had a month wait. Office wait time at VA audiologist zero. wait time at my private Primary care provider 5 minutes - VA 15 minutes.

Over the years my private system has sent me and my family for countless tests and diagnosed hundreds of possible ailments and after scaring me with a possible kidney exploratory operation - intestinal and heart surgery and scaring my daughter with TB and Thyroid cancer we have done subsequent tests and gotten additional opinions and found we had NONE of these things. Once they told me I had a severe ear infection with some strange aggressive bacteria d found it was the type normally found in ears and would probably be self elimination and penicillin may speed it up if I want. I have been sent for CAT scans for head aches and day long tests for Meneres(sp?) disease which ended up negative but found out did not rule out that I had it??? My daughter with they thyroid cancer scare from test results.... - Oh well maybe it is because you just had a baby - Well why didn't they tell her that first! My first positive poor kidney function test - Oh I guess it was a fluke. Don'teven ask what extraordinary interventions the private system they did to my poor mother in her last year of life- woman just had OLD AGE and they wanted her to die of some hospital disease instead of with dignity at home. .........................The current system is simply cruel and unsustainable. We need an upper age limit for Medicare for extraordinary intervention.

At least the VA has no incentive to find crap wrong with you so ---- bottom line is I trust them more, and since it is also totally free for me I go there for my second opinions and also to ask if I really need xyz pills...

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I mis-stated. Give the vets free vouchers to go to the dr and hospital of their choice. I still say close the VA......more govt waste.
It is about the ONLY service paid for with my tax dollars that is done well (at least here at West Palm). They serve 100,000 service people a day at that facility, and it is first class. IE: Yesterday I had a CT scan scheduled for noon, I got there and checked in at 11:45am, at 12:00 I was on my way home, at 4pm I got a call telling me my scan was good, they will reschedule in 4-6 months.

I just lived through the horror of nearly losing my woman. Except for 14 days, from Dec 2nd to Feb 25th, she was in Jupiter Medical Center, Palm Beach Medical Center, then Kindred Whatever the scumbags call themselves. SHE, saved herself! When she got sick again a week after she came home, I put her ass on a flight to Philadelphia, and they fixed her up at University of PA, in 4 days she was on her way home....

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He should have never been allowed to resign. Should have been fired, but that takes a boss with balls
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Grunt, you're VA sounds fantastic. I think I'm safe saying that yours is the exception. I believe the system could work on a very widespread basis. It is handicapped, however, by the same forces that tend to exclude efficiency and common sense from all Federal government run programs; politics, greed, and political correctness. So even at its best it could only get so good. In your accounts above describing your private world medical care, please remember one thing: VA docs and hospitals are, for all intent and purpose, exempt from malpractice litigation. They don't have to hunt for zebras (an expression in medicine used to describe looking for obscure or rare causes of problems). They can play the odds like we would all like to. If in the private world we miss the zebra while treating what is 90% likely the cause of your ailment, it's hello lawyer.
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all you need to know about the v.a. from the damn few!!!


http://rhinoden.rangerup.com/the-dam...-wizard-of-va/
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all you need to know about the v.a. From the damn few!!!


http://rhinoden.rangerup.com/the-dam...-wizard-of-va/
Wow!
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