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Old 05-08-2014, 07:31 PM
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"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

Did you say it in school? At what age did you stop saying it?

There is a discussion on reddit about whether or not is was/is appropriate to have kids say it in school. Seemingly few are in favor of it, using words like "creepy", "weird" and "brainwashing".

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Old 05-08-2014, 07:34 PM
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I'm only 28 and remember saying it I grade school. I don't remember when we stopped saying it though.
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Don't think we said it after the 6th grade but that was a while back.

Anytime a group of people begin saying the same exact thing day in, day out, I can see where people can think it's those adjectives....

Sometimes in church, when we are all saying whatever it is we are, I'll look around and think it is interesting that such a large group are all chanting in unison but I know why we are saying it and what it means.
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but I know why we are saying it and what it means.
IMO that is the key. And kids should understand what it is they are saying and why it is important.

We said it all the way through highschool, but that was private school.
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Don't kid yourself, it is a form of brainwashing.

Say something long enough and people believe it.

That said, if we had better civics in school, and kids knew why we were saying it, I think it'd be fine to say.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Dreamer View Post
There is a discussion on reddit about whether or not is was/is appropriate to have kids say it in school. Seemingly few are in favor of it, using words like "creepy", "weird" and "brainwashing".

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Creepy? Weird? Brainwashing? Word's used to describe saying the pledge of allegiance?

And people wonder what has happened to patriotism/love of country... God help us...
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Creepy? Weird? Brainwashing? Word's used to describe saying the pledge of allegiance?

And people wonder what has happened to patriotism/love of country... God help us...
^This
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Start it now and I will join right it, standing with my hat off.
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I STILL PROUDLY say it to this day!!! Along with putting my hand over my heart during the National Anthem at all of my son's High School sporting events!! It ticks me off to see people talking and not removing their hats during the Anthem!!!
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Can someone more skilled then I, please post the "Red Skelton" rendition of the "Pledge of Allegiance". One of the best descriptions of our countries pledge and what each word means.

My son said the pledge each and every day through high school. Of course I say it each Monday at scouts as well.

Not saying the pledge every day in school speaks volumes as to where this nation is currently.
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Anyone watch the NFL draft last night when they sang the anthem. Half of those young men did not know what the hell to do, morons!
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We are not one nation under god ... that's the issue most people have with this pledge.
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I say it every school day with my students. I also make sure they know the "Star Spangled Banner" before they finish. And they all know to take off their hats, stand with respect, and say it with pride.
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Originally Posted by spraynet 1 View Post
Can someone more skilled then I, please post the "Red Skelton" rendition of the "Pledge of Allegiance". One of the best descriptions of our countries pledge and what each word means.

My son said the pledge each and every day through high school. Of course I say it each Monday at scouts as well.

Not saying the pledge every day in school speaks volumes as to where this nation is currently.
Amen brother!
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...and how much does it drive you crazy when they are singing the National Anthem at any pro event you're attending and some people talk through it, keep their hats on, etc.

Though I remain silent unless someone is really over the top, I'd by happy to see them all escorted out and given a beating.
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Originally Posted by spraynet 1 View Post
Can someone more skilled then I, please post the "Red Skelton" rendition of the "Pledge of Allegiance". One of the best descriptions of our countries pledge and what each word means.

My son said the pledge each and every day through high school. Of course I say it each Monday at scouts as well.

Not saying the pledge every day in school speaks volumes as to where this nation is currently.
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As far as I'm concerned it should be a law to have to say it in school. It should also be a law that people who talk or don't remove their hats during the anthem get fined. This is America, if you don't like it get the hell out. We said it all thru school. I went to a school where we got paddled if we stepped out of line or got hit on the knuckles with yardsticks. Yes, I got beat many times and I turned out ok, I think.
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Creepy? Weird? Brainwashing? Word's used to describe saying the pledge of allegiance?

And people wonder what has happened to patriotism/love of country... God help us...
Saying or not saying the pledge has nothing to do with ones love of country or patriotism - thinking so is evidence of said brainwashing.

The pledge was written by an anti capitalist/socialist baptist minister. It had nothing to do with our founding fathers, our constitution, our government, our declaration of independence... it was socialist propaganda.

The pledge was marketed to the public by a nationalist.

Nor did it have the words "in god" in it - at all, anywhere. That was added in the 50's by the christian right government - who were also radicals.

It was, by design, a way to get children thinking and saying the same thing...

My take on "Patriots and Amercians" - we are to question, to think and not just to accept something simply because it placed in front of us.

I don't have a problem with saying the pledge... not at all. Its harmless. But its not a measure of ones love of country.
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As far as I'm concerned it should be a law to have to say it in school. It should also be a law that people who talk or don't remove their hats during the anthem get fined. This is America, if you don't like it get the hell out. We said it all thru school. I went to a school where we got paddled if we stepped out of line or got hit on the knuckles with yardsticks. Yes, I got beat many times and I turned out ok, I think.
This is America - accept what we tell you to accept... take the beatings we tell you to take - or get out?

Interesting take on what an American should be.
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Saying or not saying the pledge has nothing to do with ones love of country or patriotism - thinking so is evidence of said brainwashing.

The pledge was written by an anti capitalist/socialist baptist minister. It had nothing to do with our founding fathers, our constitution, our government, our declaration of independence... it was socialist propaganda.

The pledge was marketed to the public by a nationalist.

Nor did it have the words "in god" in it - at all, anywhere. That was added in the 50's by the christian right government - who were also radicals.

It was, by design, a way to get children thinking and saying the same thing...

My take on "Patriots and Amercians" - we are to question, to think and not just to accept something simply because it placed in front of us.

I don't have a problem with saying the pledge... not at all. Its harmless. But its not a measure of ones love of country.

when I started 1st grade in '47 we said the POA and it was nice...flowed very easily off the tongue just the way it was.

Then when I was in about the 5th or 6th grade, the idiots inserted that unnecessary and offensive "under God" which ruined the whole sound and feel of it to me.

Pissed me off then, 67 years ago (+/-) and I'm still aggravated about it!

And I am as much a southern WASP as ya can get!

So there.
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