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Old 03-20-2014, 09:52 PM
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When I logged on tonight, there was a message on the Desktop that basically said my Windows XP will no longer be supprted as of April 15 or so???

Anyone know exactly what I'm in for as a result of this?

Will I have to upgrade to Windows 7 or 8 or 8.1 (which my computer will probably NOT be able to run, as these programs are so much larger)? OR, will I have to look for a new COMPUTER?

I HATE the thought of having to learn something "new" when it comes to computers, and dealing with "new" toolbars and all the related crap!

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not sure what I need to do???

The wife HAS been after me to upgrade this 10 or so year old one, but I don't have any real problems using it, except it's a little slow and has a LOT of "stuff" on it now.

If I go with a NEW one, which Windows version would you recommend - IF I have a choice? Also, WHICH brands currently out there seem to be the best bang for the buck? I don't mind spending the money on one - just don't need "overkill". I typically don't do video games - mostly surfing the net and YouTube.

I would certainly appreciate any help or options on this, guys!

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Old 03-20-2014, 10:03 PM
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Yes, the end of support for XP is a serious problem. Your XP computer will still work but will extremely vulnerable to malware.

Forget Windows 8, it's awful. Get Windows 7. You can buy nice business class computers from Dell's business division
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/optiplex-desktops

The Dell Optiplex is a high quality business class computer that is free of the bloat ware you get on consumer grade computers.
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What he said! Replaced 6 xp boxes in my office today. Def get windows 7.
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get windows 7 and download the xp virtual mode and you can use it just like xp
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What they said -- Windows 7 Pro is excellent.
Avoid 8 (or 8.1).
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I have windows 7 at work and windows 8.1 at home. Don't have a problem with windows 8.1 at all. Took a little getting used to but so did windows 7 when it came out.

If you're just surfing the net and YouTube, get a cheap PC. You don't need much to do what you want.

Hell, I'd just download Linux and replace XP with that. I did it on a 10 year old desktop and it ran faster than it did brand new. I just used it for surfing the web and a place to house my MP3s. It takes a little getting used to (not much) but for what you need it will be the cheapest thing. I was using Ubuntu 10.01 but that was a long time ago. Not sure what is the best and latest now.
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I'm going to assume your machine has older processor, smallish hd, and memory on the lower end. If so, my opinion is to buy new with Windows 7 (smaller learning curve than 8) and minimum 4 gb of memory. Do you store a lot of music and/or pics? If so, look for 1 tb hard drive. Are you looking desktop or notebook? Are you ok with refurbished?
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Had to get a new desktop after my previous one went under water during Hurricane Sandy. It came with Windows 8. 8 sucks and 8.1 is only a little bit better.

Get Windows 7. It is a fine OS. Do not get 8!
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XP is basically a 12 year old operating system, saying it's out of date is the understatement of the century. Windows stop putting security updates out on it back in October of 2013 so you are already at risk. I have clients that run my EHR software in their medical offices and we will not support any XP machines when/if they call for support.

Get Windows 7, it does everything XP does, but much smoother and easier IMO. Better off just buying a new computer. Move all the files you need onto an external hard drive or large thumb drive to transfer over and make a list of the programs you want and need by browsing through add/remove programs.

Install fresh up to date copies of the software on your new machine. If you want to avoid some headaches, opt for Windows 7 Professional over Home edition, you will avoid a lot of bloatware.

Source: I'm the System Administrator and Support Manager at a healthcare IT/software company.
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Had to get a new desktop after my previous one went under water during Hurricane Sandy. It came with Windows 8. 8 sucks and 8.1 is only a little bit better.
Get Windows 7. It is a fine OS. Do not get 8!
That's the truth! Even 8.1 keeps putting me back in their lousy "Start" window that was designed for a touchscreen. Sorry I didn't buy Windows 7 instead. Looking forward to 8.2, which is supposed to make 8 more "7-like". There are third-party programs to make 8.1 look and act just like 7, but I'm not OK with putting third-party software between me and the operating system.
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If you are already making a change that you think will be a significant transition, go buy yourself a Mac.
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My company switched off of XP about two years ago because of the impending lack of support and security.

It either is, or soon enough will be time to switch operating systems.
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Win 7 is an easy upgrade from XP.

To check if your old computer can run it, run the Windows 7 upgrade advisor. Download from Microsoft:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...ils.aspx?id=20

If you'd like an easy way to migrate your files & other stuff, you could use the Windows Easy Transfer Wizard:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-easy-transfer

Here's a good guide to a clean install for a Dell; may be applicable to others:

http://philipyip.files.wordpress.com...10-08-2013.pdf

Even if your machine passes the Win7 Upgrade Advisor, you may have some driver issues. Logitech mice, old Promise RAID cards, and Creative sound cards can be entertaining to get all features running. For an older machine, the Vista drivers generally work... maybe.

Finally, look online for deals. I found Dell OEM dvd's of Win7 Pro for $60 each; these are legal, supported copies intended for installation on one machine. Once installed on a machine, they can't be installed on another. At $60, I didn't see that as an issue.

As an XP die-hard, I must say I like Win7.
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Originally Posted by SRQMynatt View Post
XP is basically a 12 year old operating system, saying it's out of date is the understatement of the century. Windows stop putting security updates out on it back in October of 2013 so you are already at risk. I have clients that run my EHR software in their medical offices and we will not support any XP machines when/if they call for support.
No offense but I hate this argument. We bought a computer brand new about 3 years ago that came with XP loaded on it. Mircosoft was still selling this OS and having it installed on all the "netbooks" and now they are turning their back on everyone who bought these cheap simple little computers.

Yes XP is 12 years old, but they were selling it new up until just a couple of years ago.
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I'd like to shed some light on WHY there is an increased risk. XP, as mentioned above, was written 12 years ago, and the attack landscape has changed dramatically during that time. Twelve years ago, people bent on doing bad things concentrated on buffer overflows, SQL injection, and things like that. Today's attacks have drive-by downloads, cross site scripting, and other browser hijacks.

1) Anything written over a decade ago is going to have some fundamental flaws in its design which makes it more vulnerable than the alternatives.
2) The number of XP boxes has been going down, so potential flaws aren't being addressed as readily.
3) The third and biggest reason is that no new security updates are being released. So if a new flaw is detected that affects XP, Win7, and Win8, MS will research and write a fix for win7 and 8, but XP users won't get an update.

What makes #3 a big deal is that if I want to hack you, I wait until Patch Tuesday, look at an identified vulnerability in win7 that was fixed, and see if that flaw can be exploited in XP., then boom, pwned. The list of identified "new" vulnerabilities basically gives me a list of new things to try on XP.
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No offense but I hate this argument. We bought a computer brand new about 3 years ago that came with XP loaded on it. Mircosoft was still selling this OS and having it installed on all the "netbooks" and now they are turning their back on everyone who bought these cheap simple little computers.

Yes XP is 12 years old, but they were selling it new up until just a couple of years ago.
Wrong. You can't blame Microsoft for a hardware vendor problem. A vendor can load whatever they want. That is not Microsofts fault that someone sold a computer with an old OS on it. Should have done your homework before you bought it.

And for everyone else that is suddenly shocked by this, Microsoft has always stated a 10 year life support policy on all things they produce.
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windows 8 is why the terrorists hate us
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Originally Posted by beber View Post
No offense but I hate this argument. We bought a computer brand new about 3 years ago that came with XP loaded on it. Mircosoft was still selling this OS and having it installed on all the "netbooks" and now they are turning their back on everyone who bought these cheap simple little computers.

Yes XP is 12 years old, but they were selling it new up until just a couple of years ago.
They also started selling Windows 7 in October 2009. Why bother with XP machines when 7 machines were available?
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I know Windows 8 gets a bad rap....but....

We just completed an upgrade of 15 machines here in the office from XP to 8.1 If you download (for free) and run classicshell.net, Win 8.1 looks and feels EXACTLY like Windows 7. And if I compare two identical machines - one with 7 and one with 8.1, the 8.1 machine is faster.

It was my decision whether to go with 7 or 8...I too was thinking 7 based on past experience but our IT guy was adamant that we at least try 8 - so I upgraded and became the guinea pig back in January. We have absolutely no complaints so far....
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