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Old 02-17-2014, 04:29 AM
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What do you think about the common core? I have been trying to talk to education leaders in my district about it for three years and also talking to representatives and senators and I think they all just laughed at me. Yet another disaster as a result of federal government intervention, and now both sides are saying it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/17/ny...tics.html?_r=0

Have you looked at the common core and what is really in it?
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:35 AM
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Common Core sucks. Get back to basics. They waste more time trying to reinvent the wheel. Meetings meetings, meetings. Waste oh about 5 or 6 years on it until something even less useful comes along.
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:42 AM
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No school aged kids anymore but I wish Reagan had been sucessful in eliminating the Dept of Ed.

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The Department of Education deserves to be on the chopping block. Our children’s education is too important to be left up to a federal centralized bureaucracy. Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education as a political payoff to the teachers’ unions for their 1976 endorsement. We should judge all governmental agencies by their results rather than their intentions. Like virtually every federal department, the Department of Education has only made things worse. Student educational outcomes have worsened since the creation of the Department of Education.

The Department of Education is blatantly unconstitutional, like so much that the federal government does. The truth is that the federal government only has about thirty enumerated powers delegated to it in the Constitution. Education is not specifically listed in the document, which means that the authority over education should be left up to the states and the people. We cannot afford to waste anymore taxpayer dollars on failed national schemes.

Federal agencies always cost more than initially predicted. The Department of Education’s 2011 budget is nearly six times greater than its original budget. It has increased from $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) in 1980 to $77.8 billion in 2011. The federal government throwing more money at education has done virtually nothing to improve educational outcomes. Student test scores in math, reading and science have remained flat or declined over the past four decades. The chart below from the Cato Institute shows how increased federal spending has not had a positive effect on educational achievement:
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Wow, great info there. I think I will start passing that around locally and see if I can stir up a little more debate.
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Wow, great info there. I think I will start passing that around locally and see if I can stir up a little more debate.

I didn't quote the whole article. Here's the link:

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jbo...on-is-the-righ

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It's sickening what our government does to all of us under the guise of being "do gooders". The Depts. of Energy, Education, and Health and Human Services knows no boundaries with their reaching and power grabbing. But, when they attack our kids by dumbing them down it is just despicable. It's much easier to control a dumb population than a society of free thinkers.
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I will use it. Unfortunately, most of the government officials that depend on it for their check completely ignore CATO because of course it considered to be slanted a little. But hey, maybe the parents will listen, but unfortunately most of them don't really care as long as they don't have to be bothered with it.
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17 & 16. My children got to Vo Tech

17 YO son is in Autobody, Senior, goes to school 2 weeks & works 2 weeks..Works for a local Auto Body in the Paint shop, presently bringing home $375 ish a week for the weeks he works and $175.00 for the other 2 weeks he goes in after school and Saturdays
Not bad for a 17 yo.

16 YO Daughter is Sophomore at the same Vo Tech and she is doing Nurse Tech,
She'll be on the job paid training Jr & Sr years at the local Hospital
Should be an RN by 21-22 ish and some schooling funded.

WE had the choice for them to go to a traditional type High School in town but we chose the Vo Tech up the road. To us it was a jump start...

My son is not the College type, he's a tradesman, The shop will put him on full time when he graduates with a nice bump in pay..
Plus he's doing some side jobs...

Daughter is more the academic type and should be doing well for herself by mid 20's.

My thought on the Common Core, I don't have one....

If you want my vote, make them all go to Catholic school and get beat up by the Nuns like I did!
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:11 AM
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I've been dealing with the Common Core in the form of homework and help with everyday school activities.

I've had several debates about this, but I can't seem to get informative information about it. Seems like the homework and schoolwork is the same as 40 years ago (except far more aggressive). Fall behind and your in trouble. Same as when I was in 3rd grade.

I wish I was informed enough to say I don't like it, because the Dept. of Education has rarely done anything I like, but I can't find the problem here.

Someone inform me also.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:19 AM
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I have 2 young kids, one in first grade the other is still at home. As a former educator I will tell you that I hate the common core, especially the math standards. Not much you can do except send them to private school.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Software View Post
I have 2 young kids, one in first grade the other is still at home. As a former educator I will tell you that I hate the common core, especially the math standards. Not much you can do except send them to private school.

Or, skip all the BS of the modern day eduction system and the politics involved and Home School.

I come from a family of educators (both my parents) and we Home School. I'm sure that will take this post OT, but that's another option.

And my parents taught Public, but sent me to Private till HS...
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I have 2 young kids, one in first grade the other is still at home. As a former educator I will tell you that I hate the common core, especially the math standards. Not much you can do except send them to private school.

I tried private school for two years (not for me but for my niece), it was a disaster. There were too many bad kids that got kicked out of public school that got placed in the private schools, being paid for by the state.

Its the dirty little secret of private schools.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:47 AM
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I have twins in first grade here in Georgia and would be curious to hear what everyone perceives as the pros and cons of common core also.After having our first parent/teacher conferences recently I will say I am not exactly happy with some aspects of their education.
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My wife and I both taught public schools when our children were born and we struggled real hard but sent them to private schools for the first few years to get them a good jump start. their first two years of public schools were nothing more than a review of what they had already done in private schools. The damn tuition just got to be more than we could afford after the state screwed with our health benefits and our bring home dropped too much. I was working two part time jobs and we still could no longer afford the private school. Of course then the combined income of two teachers in NC was 50k gross before mandatory retirement contributions and health insurance for the kids. Sure wish I could have kept swinging it.

However, for Mike, some of this is just personal belief, but a lot of what I have problems with is the government is dictating the instruction which is allowing certain things I consider to be controversial opinions to be presented to our kids as fact. Issues I have seen in their work and had to discuss with the kids have been things like global warming being presented a scientific and proven fact. And passages that they read about how we as people are causing the climate change and destroying the earth. Also things they have read in social studies lessons about the cause of the civil war and the colonies actions leading up to the revolutionary war. My problem is that my children are being taught incorrectly about many topics that are politically charged topics. They no longer bring books home so I cannot read their text books. When I ask a teacher about a reading assignment I saw I am told that it is just a passage for testing comprehension in reading and not a social studies assignment so I should not be concerned. But they are reading passages about the role of government and then being asked questions about them. They are searching for the correct answer based on the passage, but all they remember is that these are the "correct answers" I try not to get too specific because everybody has different points of view on things, but it is just another form of indoctrination into a specific school of thought in my opinion.
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I hear nothing good about it from teacher friends. From what I understand it dumbs things down for all students to understand certain concepts. Even is the new way is counter productive for 90% of the class. I heard they no longer have students memorize the multiplication table?? And those student who do, still have to show they used some long backwards method to come up with the answer.. Both my kids are in Catholic school and some private schools are using common core (well, not using common core) in their marketing campaign..
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http://www.thehulltruth.com/bilge/55...core-book.html
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Old 02-17-2014, 06:02 AM
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I have twins in first grade here in Georgia and would be curious to hear what everyone perceives as the pros and cons of common core also.After having our first parent/teacher conferences recently I will say I am not exactly happy with some aspects of their education.
All I can say is do your research on what they are being taught. I found that a lot of controversial topics get hidden in reading passages instead of being taught in social studies or science. I can only speak for how the system is here, but my children don't bring home books much anymore because there are only classroom sets of some of the books. They bring home worksheets which do not allow me the opportunity to review and see what they are learning. I finally got real interested about three years ago when we were driving down the road and something happened and my 3rd grade son at the time started telling me all about global warming and how it was killing the planet and that if we did not stop using oil and coal we were going to destroy the planet. The more questions I started asking the more I realized this concept was being drilled into him through reading assignments, science projects, and even some of his word problems in math. He was basically being taught that this is a cold hard fact.

In my family we love history, and don't even let me get started on how history is being twisted.

In first grade parents don't seem to worry as much about what they are reading, but how they are reading. Even at lower grade levels the reading they are doing is often starting to present opinions and debated topics as facts.

Sorry, rant over so I can go to work.
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17 & 16. My children got to Vo Tech

17 YO son is in Autobody, Senior, goes to school 2 weeks & works 2 weeks..Works for a local Auto Body in the Paint shop, presently bringing home $375 ish a week for the weeks he works and $175.00 for the other 2 weeks he goes in after school and Saturdays
Not bad for a 17 yo.

16 YO Daughter is Sophomore at the same Vo Tech and she is doing Nurse Tech,
She'll be on the job paid training Jr & Sr years at the local Hospital
Should be an RN by 21-22 ish and some schooling funded.

WE had the choice for them to go to a traditional type High School in town but we chose the Vo Tech up the road. To us it was a jump start...

My son is not the College type, he's a tradesman, The shop will put him on full time when he graduates with a nice bump in pay..
Plus he's doing some side jobs...

Daughter is more the academic type and should be doing well for herself by mid 20's.

My thought on the Common Core, I don't have one....

If you want my vote, make them all go to Catholic school and get beat up by the Nuns like I did!
I did both. High school in AM trade school in PM. I actually turned out OK if you saw what a fuster cluck I was in high school.
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Everyone knows its a problem. It isn't going to change until the teachers get together and say enough is enough. Another part of the problem are the people who make up the local school boards. Almost everyone I have ever met is someone who was not very popular in school and on a power trip. Ours is loaded with tree huggers. School boards are like HOA's on steroids
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I did both. High school in AM trade school in PM. I actually turned out OK if you saw what a fuster cluck I was in high school.

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Old 02-17-2014, 07:10 AM
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Everyone knows its a problem. It isn't going to change until the teachers get together and say enough is enough. Another part of the problem are the people who make up the local school boards. Almost everyone I have ever met is someone who was not very popular in school and on a power trip. Ours is loaded with tree huggers. School boards are like HOA's on steroids
I would have to disagree with that comment. My wife is on our local school board, and I know most of the other members personally. Its obviously a local thing. I am sure there are good and bad boards.

Common Core.....its a fed gov program. How can it be good?

I know locally, some teachers don't like it at all. I know my wife isn't in favor of it, but is willing to listen. But like every gov program, its all in the details. Kind of like Obamacare.
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