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Old 01-16-2014, 07:37 PM
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I don't know much about these situations, but surely there is a better way to handle this?

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1. Perhaps have pepper spray in/tazer in one hand and gun in the other?

2. Throw a flash bang?

3. I mean, at what point do you call SWAT to deal with this situation?

4. How much time would you have given him to calm down? If the video is unedited than the whole transpired in 2 minutes and 30 seconds
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:46 PM
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Suicide by cop? over a wreck ? The dead guy must've had some other issues but a tazer probably a better choice to subdue him.

Why did the officer have to shoot so many times?
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Old 01-16-2014, 08:28 PM
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I don't want to judge the cop, maybe a LEO can defend the situation but I sure thought he could have retreated and taken another approach.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:11 PM
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we need to start up a forum or a list where all the second guessers in each city can sign up and then when incidents like this happen instead of calling the cops people can just call out the "I would have done it like this" crowd

or if the cops get into a situation they could call for the "I would do this backup" and we can even incentivize them with $100 if it goes down like they said

the best part would be watching the videos where 99.99999% of them get the living shit kicked out of them and get torn a new asshole and then we could all just sit back and talk about how great they were at handling that and sucks for them they did not even get $100 dollars all they got was a their ass kicked or shot or stabbed or sliced open by some nutbag
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:21 PM
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I see no reason that cop couldn't have backed out of the house and found a non lethal way of ending that situation......why not a leg shot. Arm shot. Why so many shots? This was suicide by cop??! I call bs...
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:58 PM
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I think the cop handled it with real professionalism. Yes perhaps he could've backed out and created a barricaded subject situation and standoff. Was there anyone else in the house? We don't know, but that would matter because backing out wouldn't be an option.

This cop did what he was supposed to do here. That guy could've charged at him so fast even after being shot or thrown a knife at his face. Cops shoot to stop and incapacitate. There are no warning shots allowed, there are no shots at the legs to slow suspects down as options.

Its certainly debatable if the cop could have backed out with the (pretty much uncooperative) girl behind him. Whatever happened after he backed out would then be on him as well and the possibilities are endless. This guy chose to die, for reasons unknown to any of us. I feel bad for all parties but I feel worse for the cop and the girl than I do for the deceased.
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:23 AM
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Looks pretty cut & dry to me. He was given plenty of chances to drop the weapon and stop. He continued to advance the officer. Even if the officer had backed off, the front door would of been the limit, he cannot allow that man outside armed and obviously unstable. Its a sad situation all around, but it appears to me he got his wish.

To the post about carrying a taser / oc spray in the other hand, terrible idea, to much chance of pulling the wrong trigger.
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Old 01-17-2014, 02:55 AM
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"ERIC" got what he wanted.
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Old 01-17-2014, 03:32 AM
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"ERIC" got what he wanted.
Have to agree with you on this one.. He showed no sign of stopping.
Keep remembering what Cracker say. 3 to 5 shots is standard to stop a threat.
If someone was in my home walking toward me with a knife I would not of ask the second time.

In my views, tazers are when there is no weapon in their hands.
Guns are for all others.
Its the shooting unarmed people that are clearly no threat to the cops at that time that I have a problem with or putting the dog on them after their hands are in the air and the LEO had more than enough time to see that.
This one to me was justified.

And I like those cameras on the LEOs. Ends any argument of what really happened.

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Old 01-17-2014, 03:53 AM
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When is it acceptable for LEO to walk into someone's home ( without permission that I could see) ,
and shoot that someone for carrying a knife in his own home.
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When is it acceptable for LEO to walk into someone's home ( without permission that I could see) ,
and shoot that someone for carrying a knife in his own home.
Didn't the girl live there? She told the cops to help her get the knife out his hands. LEO even mentioned that to him it won't worth it. .. They had permission.

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Old 01-17-2014, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mfix View Post
When is it acceptable for LEO to walk into someone's home ( without permission that I could see) ,
and shoot that someone for carrying a knife in his own home.
The officer was there doing a hit & run investigation (left scene of a crash, I can tell from his statements)

Little girl comes out saying he has a knife

Officer has every right to enter anyone's house to check welfare at that point and actually the officer has an obligation and duty to check on EVERYONE's welfare (those that he knows about and anyone that could be inside), he cant just leave.

Officer was very professional and acted within the law per his dept and the DA or State Attorney....

Also... Tazers and pepper spray are no where near a 100 reliable, they are not an option in that situation, this was a justified shooting all day long...

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Old 01-17-2014, 04:39 AM
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He gave the guy a lot of chances. I have to side with the police, officer did what he was supposed to do.
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:46 AM
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No where in procedure or ccp does it say you have to use less than lethal force(tazer,oc) against deadly force(edged weapon,firearm).
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Originally Posted by mfix View Post
When is it acceptable for LEO to walk into someone's home ( without permission that I could see) ,
and shoot that someone for carrying a knife in his own home.
The minute that woman Told him his suspect was inside he is allowed to enter, and what is he supposed to do, let a suicidal man with a weapon keep advancing him and attack him? The subject created a situation the officer could not step away from
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And now the officer has to carry that in his mind for the rest of his life.

Coward should have taken his own own life instead of using the police to do it.
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Originally Posted by Flguy32514 View Post
Looks pretty cut & dry to me. He was given plenty of chances to drop the weapon and stop. He continued to advance the officer. Even if the officer had backed off, the front door would of been the limit, he cannot allow that man outside armed and obviously unstable. Its a sad situation all around, but it appears to me he got his wish.
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"ERIC" got what he wanted.
These are spot-on.
Terrible situation...tragic ending. More could have been injured or killed.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:39 AM
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Only one person made the decision to die in that situation - Eric.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by liveaboard74 View Post
Have to agree with you on this one.. He showed no sign of stopping.
Keep remembering what Cracker say. 3 to 5 shots is standard to stop a threat.
If someone was in my home walking toward me with a knife I would not of ask the second time.

In my views, tazers are when there is no weapon in their hands.
Guns are for all others.
Its the shooting unarmed people that are clearly no threat to the cops at that time that I have a problem with or putting the dog on them after their hands are in the air and the LEO had more than enough time to see that.
This one to me was justified.

And I like those cameras on the LEOs. Ends any argument of what really happened.
officers carry their weapon for situations like this. he was justified. from what my LEO brother tells me, when they fire their gun it is to neutralize the threat, no shooting knees etc.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:18 AM
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