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Old 12-18-2013, 10:21 AM
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What a disaster this country has become. The newest budget proposal that will pass entirely for political reasons (can't risk blowback, gotta get re-elected), cuts pensions for our Military by 1% annually, which could amount to a compounded 20% overall cut. This passed the Republican led House, which originated the bill, very easily. It will now pass the Senate as well, as an effective party line vote (one D sided with all R's) stopped any amendments, including one proposed by Jeff Sessions to instead fund the "savings" by disallowing Illegals from claiming the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC).

What a shame. Fight for our country, and the people running it now give your promised money to criminals.

Note: This is apolitical in nature, because BOTH parties are responsible for this abomination, so please try to keep the discussion that way.
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Illegals need American Taypayer money too
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2 words.

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A revolution is required 1st to throw every one of them out 1st. After the likes of Obie, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and others are in jail we start again with a clean slate. Chance is coming next year to vote correctly.
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proposed by Jeff Sessions to instead fund the "savings" by disallowing Illegals from claiming the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC)

FYI

Bungling bureaucrats dole out billions in tax credits to illegal immigrants

Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

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how can an illegal working in the US receive a tax credit?

illegals have SS#'s and file taxes?
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how can an illegal working in the US receive a tax credit?

illegals have SS#'s and file taxes?
The ILLEGALS don't need a SS#, they can use this...

How do Undocumented Residents receive an Individual Tax Number

Illegal immigrants filing taxes more than ever

The IRS created a nine-digit Individual Tax Identification Number in 1996 for foreigners who don’t have Social Security numbers but need to file taxes in the U.S. But it is increasingly used by undocumented workers to file taxes, apply for credit, get bank accounts or even buy a home.

The IRS issued 1.5 million ITINs in 2006 — a 30 percent increase from the previous year. All told, the tax liability of ITIN filers between 1996 and 2003 was $50 billion. The agency has no way to track how many were immigrants, but it’s widely believed most people using ITINS are in the United States illegally.

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I wonder what that will do for retention in the Military? This congress is embarrassing.
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The wellfare slows them down from stealing our personal stuff...

I just keep telling myself that to hedge the vomit sensation I get every time I read the news on the next round of good news..
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Everyone in DC is either clinically insane or evil as Lucifer. One can debate the merits of having a huge military complex, that debate isn't relevant in this instance. The vets should receive everything we promised them when they signed up. They agreed to risk their lives for us, how the F can anyone with a heart support reneging on our side of the contract?
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Originally Posted by Tireless View Post
Everyone in DC is either clinically insane or evil as Lucifer. One can debate the merits of having a huge military complex, that debate isn't relevant in this instance. The vets should receive everything we promised them when they signed up. They agreed to risk their lives for us, how the F can anyone with a heart support reneging on our side of the contract?
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http://www.defenseone.com/management...ig-deal/75587/


Hmm, if this article is accurate, the cut seems fair and doesn't affect too many retirees negatively.

The 401k idea seems much more fair. You stay in the military up to 19 years you don't get squat...you have to hit 20 years...now that doesn't seem fair.
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You stay in the military up to 19 years you don't get squat...you have to hit 20 years...now that doesn't seem fair.
20 years was the threashold when I went in. 26 was better and 30 was even better than that. I knew that going in. I got out after 4 years and didn't expect a damned thing because I read the paper before I signed it. If I had stayed 20/26/30 years I would have expected that they live up to their end of the deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
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20 years was the threashold when I went in. 26 was better and 30 was even better than that. I knew that going in. I got out after 4 years and didn't expect a damned thing because I read the paper before I signed it. If I had stayed 20/26/30 years I would have expected that they live up to their end of the deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing more, nothing less...I agree. Doesn't mean that the rules can't change to something different, hopefully better moving forward. According to that link, nobody currently in the military will be getting a lesser deal than the one they got upon signing up.
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It is interesting that Congress decided not to reduce Federal Government workers retirement.....only the military retirement.
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IMO, anyone that has ever been in a combat situation, should never have to pay taxes of any kind, ever again for the rest of their lives. And I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes to make that happen.

So it should stand to reason I'm against cutting the pay of those that serve.

Our country has it's priorities totally out of whack.
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20 years was the threashold when I went in. 26 was better and 30 was even better than that. I knew that going in. I got out after 4 years and didn't expect a damned thing because I read the paper before I signed it. If I had stayed 20/26/30 years I would have expected that they live up to their end of the deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
But they didn't... The oldtimers who joined, fought and put there lives on the line were GUARANTEED medical and dental for life...enter congress and Champus now guess who has to pay a good portion for their medical? Uncle Sam giveth and congress taketh away..
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Hmm, if this article is accurate, the cut seems fair and doesn't affect too many retirees negatively.

The 401k idea seems much more fair. You stay in the military up to 19 years you don't get squat...you have to hit 20 years...now that doesn't seem fair.
Yeah, you're right. Since it only screws the 15-17% who decide to risk their lives for our freedom for 20+ years, it's not that big a deal.
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