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Old 12-17-2013, 09:57 AM
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25 year old male, 30 year old female, never married. Hooked up and made a baby. Female works 2 jobs to make ends meet. Male is a lazy unemployed POS living with his parents. They share time with the kid (1 year old), but Mom has the kid more often.

Since there was no marriage, are their any legal entitlements for the male party to pursue child support, tax breaks, controlling interest in the child such as travel and visitation?

Up until now it's just been an amicable agreement with time with the child. But now male party is alluding to pursuing stuff legally. Male party hates female party, and is out to get her and ruin her if able.

Male party is demanding financial information such as taxes and pay stubs, account information, etc. Female party told him to pack sand.

In FL, no marriage, but have a kid, what say you about legal entitlements?
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oh brother. If it's someone you know, perhaps a swift kick in the nuts?
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I would think she should just go to court to get full custody as he has no financial means to care for the child.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:08 AM
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oh brother. If it's someone you know, perhaps a swift kick in the nuts?
Unfortunately, there is no cure for this one, life long POS loser douchebag, that will never change. Female on the other hand is a good person, struggling mother, but doing right and working her ass off to succeed and provide for her son.
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Ask here
www.dadsdivorce.com
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I would think she should just go to court to get full custody as he has no financial means to care for the child.
I believe she has sole custody, as its always been her address, and she is the sole provider of insurance and financial support. She also makes the visitation schedule and he can't take child out of state.
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Originally Posted by atcfris View Post
I believe she has sole custody, as its always been her address, and she is the sole provider of insurance and financial support. She also makes the visitation schedule and he can't take child out of state.
I'm betting if she decided to move to Brazil with the kid, he'd have some legal say as from what you say, their agreement is "amicable", and not necessarily "legally bound".

Either way, she needs to seek professional help. And she should document all the harassing and emotional abuse she's taking.

As for there being no cure....there's always a cure. Perhaps not a legal one, but a cure for sure.
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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
Perhaps not a legal one, but a cure for sure.
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In Florida, child born out of wedlock..

Mother is considered primary care giver and father (lacking any court orders) has very few rights. What she says goes. If he wabts rights, he has to man up and do everything the judge orders (child support, visitation etc.)
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
In Florida, child born out of wedlock..

Mother is considered primary care giver and father (lacking any court orders) has very few rights. What she says goes. If he wabts rights, he has to man up and do everything the judge orders (child support, visitation etc.)
Even if the judge says he has to collect arrowheads?

There's your angle OP. Load up his house with arrowheads and call the local po-po to go felonize his ass...
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Even if the judge says he has to collect arrowheads?

There's your angle OP. Load up his house with arrowheads and call the local po-po to go felonize his ass...
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If said douchbag hasnt hired an attorney, there aint gonna be nothing he can get. and even if he had funds for an atty, it's highly unlikely he'd ever get a cent.
More likely he'd get a lecture on how to get a job.
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Originally Posted by Snoozin View Post
If said douchbag hasnt hired an attorney, there aint gonna be nothing he can get. and even if he had funds for an atty, it's highly unlikely he'd ever get a cent.
More likely he'd get a lecture on how to get a job.
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Unfortunately, there is no cure for this one, life long POS loser douchebag, that will never change. Female on the other hand is a good person, struggling mother, but doing right and working her ass off to succeed and provide for her son.

And yet somehow she picked this guy to be the father of her child. Bypassing all the hardworking, tax-paying, contributing, family-oriented men out there. Gave herself a lifelong tether to POS loser douchbag. Child with at least 50% loser genetics. She basically let the rest of us down with her decision. A failure of natural selection.

In most states he has very little to no rights until the Court grants such rights (visitation, partial custody, etc.) to him. Even without those rights, he has an obligation to pay support and she can seek enforcement through the courts.
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
In Florida, child born out of wedlock..

Mother is considered primary care giver and father (lacking any court orders) has very few rights. What she says goes. If he wabts rights, he has to man up and do everything the judge orders (child support, visitation etc.)
What if he doesn't want rights? Still has to pay support and all?
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Prob seeking a way to claim the child on his taxes. That and anything else that may benefit his pocket.
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What if he doesn't want rights? Still has to pay support and all?

YES, most definitely. Otherwise, the line of guys willing to sign away any "rights" in order to avoid child support would stretch out the courthouse door and go for miles. Taxpayers already pick up the slack for most of these out-of-wedlock children. To allow any parent to avoid the obligation to support their offspring to the best of their ability would just place a larger burden on society.
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Originally Posted by Samb View Post
And yet somehow she picked this guy to be the father of her child. Bypassing all the hardworking, tax-paying, contributing, family-oriented men out there. Gave herself a lifelong tether to POS loser douchbag. Child with at least 50% loser genetics. She basically let the rest of us down with her decision. A failure of natural selection.

In most states he has very little to no rights until the Court grants such rights (visitation, partial custody, etc.) to him. Even without those rights, he has an obligation to pay support and she can seek enforcement through the courts.
Yeah, she had a lapse in judgement, a fling if you will, and this was an unplanned pregnancy, but the child is 1 year old now and she is doing the right thing, working two jobs, and has the help of her family.

Regarding child support, since the male is unemployed and lives with parents, and she is employed with her own home, and provides all financial and insurance support, can she still get child support from him? He has no money or job. He is actually expressing his intent to pursue child support from her as he feels he deserves it since he has the child some of the time. He also in that same expression demanded her financial statements, accounts, taxes, etc. He also wants a portion of her family trust.

The guy is a human chit stain for sure.
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Originally Posted by round2it View Post
Prob seeking a way to claim the child on his taxes. That and anything else that may benefit his pocket.
This is correct.
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