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Old 10-21-2013, 06:48 PM
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Anyone do it? What are the risks/results? Costs?

Even while eating well and excersizing I struggle with weight(25 lbs overweight).

A friend of mine of the same age(40's) lost a shit ton of weight after starting a low testosterone theropy. He injects himself one a week for 3 months then takes a break.

My uneducated opinion has been that low t theory was hokey and an infomercial type sales event. After seeing my friend transformation I'm looking for other opinions. Of course my fist stop is here.

Anyone know about this stuff?
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How old are you? Oh nvm, 40's.

My doctor has been suggesting it for a little while. My T is in the pits, as I've been on painkillers for the last 10 years (through 6 shoulder surgeries, approximately 280 shoulder dislocations, an AC separation, hand surgery where a pin was inserted into a broken metacarpal with no anesthesia by a wackjob doctor, and back surgery for 2 herniated thoracic discs). I've done plenty of research and come to the conclusion that at my age of 26, my endocrine system is not yet fully mature and the risk of long-term side effects is multiplied for that reason.

By your mid-30's, your endocrine system is fully mature. Low T therapy (in your friends case, most likely testosterone injections) is safe and extremely effective under CLOSE SUPERVISION by a doctor who deals with steroids very regularly. Post-cycle therapy is also extremely important to help you reinitiate your bodies natural testosterone production.

Realize that most people who begin using anabolic steroids will continue to use them for a long time. They become a drug to users, who will get them in any way possible once they are discontinued from their doctor. They will change your life, but DO NOT let them take control. Do not think that "more is better" (because they change the way you act, think, and maintain relationships).

I have done tons of research, both through online forums (the users perspective, usually bodybuilders but there are more medically oriented forums out there) and through literature, medical journals, RCT's, Systematic Reviews, etc. I've also taken my fair share of exercise physiology and pharmacology classes.

Feel free to PM me if you want me to point you in the right direction as far as research goes.

Write down your questions to ask your doctor. Look for free studies on PubMed (ncbi). DO YOUR RESEARCH and make an educated decision, because this is a big decision. If you do decide to take them, keep a journal. When you are off them you can read it and see if you truly are "yourself" when you are on a cycle. Hope this helps a little.
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How old are you? Oh nvm, 40's.

My doctor has been suggesting it for a little while. My T is in the pits, as I've been on painkillers for the last 10 years (through 6 shoulder surgeries, approximately 280 shoulder dislocations, an AC separation, hand surgery where a pin was inserted into a broken metacarpal with no anesthesia by a wackjob doctor, and back surgery for 2 herniated thoracic discs). I've done plenty of research and come to the conclusion that at my age of 26, my endocrine system is not yet fully mature and the risk of long-term side effects is multiplied for that reason.

By your mid-30's, your endocrine system is fully mature. Low T therapy (in your friends case, most likely testosterone injections) is safe and extremely effective under CLOSE SUPERVISION by a doctor who deals with steroids very regularly. Post-cycle therapy is also extremely important to help you reinitiate your bodies natural testosterone production.

Realize that most people who begin using anabolic steroids will continue to use them for a long time. They become a drug to users, who will get them in any way possible once they are discontinued from their doctor. They will change your life, but DO NOT let them take control. Do not think that "more is better" (because they change the way you act, think, and maintain relationships).

I have done tons of research, both through online forums (the users perspective, usually bodybuilders but there are more medically oriented forums out there) and through literature, medical journals, RCT's, Systematic Reviews, etc. I've also taken my fair share of exercise physiology and pharmacology classes.

Feel free to PM me if you want me to point you in the right direction as far as research goes.

Write down your questions to ask your doctor. Look for free studies on PubMed (ncbi). DO YOUR RESEARCH and make an educated decision, because this is a big decision. If you do decide to take them, keep a journal. When you are off them you can read it and see if you truly are "yourself" when you are on a cycle. Hope this helps a little.
are you implying testosterone is an anabolic steroid??
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Originally Posted by ndb8fxe View Post
Anyone do it? What are the risks/results? Costs?

Even while eating well and excersizing I struggle with weight(25 lbs overweight).

A friend of mine of the same age(40's) lost a shit ton of weight after starting a low testosterone theropy. He injects himself one a week for 3 months then takes a break.

My uneducated opinion has been that low t theory was hokey and an infomercial type sales event. After seeing my friend transformation I'm looking for other opinions. Of course my fist stop is here.

Anyone know about this stuff?
Testosterone therapy isn't weight a loss treatment.
Cost for the injections isn't much, the gel is exorbitant.
Need blood tests for PSA and T level for a baseline.
Regular testing, including checking for an enlarged prostrate should be done.
Without reading side effects of T injections, weight loss could be from increased energy that resulted in increased activity.
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Originally Posted by sea section View Post
are you implying testosterone is an anabolic steroid??
It's an anabolic/androgenic steroid


And when one is on test therapy it's supposed to be a therapeutic dosage year around. Creams kind of suck in the sense that they have to be applied daily and can rub off on others.
Injections are best for most people, most protocols I have seen range in the 100-200mg weekly along with HCG to keep testicular function going and an estrogen control therapy.

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Originally Posted by sea section View Post
are you implying testosterone is an anabolic steroid??
Not implying, it is. Not saying that is a bad thing. There is a stigma on the term "anabolic steroids".
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Testosterone therapy is becoming main stream and its about time
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It's an anabolic/androgenic steroid


And when one is on test therapy it's supposed to be a therapeutic dosage year around. Creams kind of suck in the sense that they have to be applied daily and can rub off on others.
Injections are best for most people, most protocols I have seen range in the 100-200mg weekly along with HCG to keep testicular function going and an estrogen control therapy.

Any idea what's being handed out in the way of injectibles? Is there one more popular or industry standard.
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The Misses looked into my taking it. If she wasn't in Oakland right now I'd ask her why she didn't wan't me on the program. About the only thing I remember is, if you are not in dire need for the suppliment why would you take the risk.
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I have a friend who is in his mid forties that began the injections about three months ago at the insistence of his wife,who is an RN.His T levels were in the mid to high 300 range when tested.His doctor told him basically everyone responds differently to the therapy and that a level of 300 may be right for one person naturally and cause problems for another.His doctor would shoot for levels from 600-1000,depending on how an individual responded.He went through the blood screening and after the all clear,began taking the shots.

He is a fitness freak,working out four to five days a week along with riding his mountain bike up to fifty miles a week and says he feels so much better now than he did before.He is being tested regularly by his doctor and now his levels are in the mid to high 600 range.One of the biggest dangers ,according to his doctor,is with any type of cancerous cells being present as the injections will cause them to become much more aggressive.T therapy seems to be the new thing as most all of the guys he knows who are forty plus from his gym are now doing it.

I am forty three now and have considered it,but I don't want to be stuck taking injections forever not knowing exactly what happens if you decide to quit or if you developed some type of cancer that went undetected.
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Originally Posted by ndb8fxe View Post
Anyone do it? What are the risks/results? Costs?

Even while eating well and excersizing I struggle with weight(25 lbs overweight).

A friend of mine of the same age(40's) lost a shit ton of weight after starting a low testosterone theropy. He injects himself one a week for 3 months then takes a break.

My uneducated opinion has been that low t theory was hokey and an infomercial type sales event. After seeing my friend transformation I'm looking for other opinions. Of course my fist stop is here.

Anyone know about this stuff?
Im on it now. As stated above its not a weight lose treatment, but you will lose weight. Your T levels have to be low or you wind up with some unpleasant side effects. In my case I had no energy and was packing on weight like crazy for no apparent reason, like over 50 lbs. Finally went to the doctor, six of them in fact, and no one could tell me why I wasnt feeling right. They just would tell me that thats "middle age" and learn to deal. I knew it was'nt. I kept seeing that dam commercial for androgel and figured maybe. I asked for the blood test and the doctor said it could'nt be that I was too young for low T. He did the test to satisfy me and guess what, T level at 225. Well long story short they put me on androgel and in two weeks feeling good again. After a month feeling super. By month two I was feeling like I used to and lost 23 lbs without changing anything about my life. Now after that it started to wean off and in the long run they switched me over to the shots. One shot every other week, and im good to go. Now after a year, Im back to my old self and have lost 52lbs total, almost back to my weight before all this started, about 5 more lbs. Dont rely on your regular doctor to know about this therapy, most dont. Mine actually sent me to an endocronologist because he said flat out he wasnt up on this stuff, so do your homework. Good luck to you and if you have any questions just ask, I'll be happy to answer what I can.
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Originally Posted by The Revenge View Post
Any idea what's being handed out in the way of injectibles? Is there one more popular or industry standard.
Testosterone depot is the most popular brand name for testosterone cypionate
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My buddy's wife made him quit because of this ...

He wanted more pokeage she did not ...


(because they change the way you act, think, and maintain relationships).
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Look up Dr. Crisler. He's a doc in MI that is a leader in this field. He recommends 2x a week Sub Q. HCG therapy with Arimidex or Aromasin.

With sub q injections you can use an insulin needle and it is a lot easier than IM. Make sure they give you the 200mg/ml test so the volume is low.

Here's the Docs website: http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.html

I thought I had low T but it wasn't low enough (600) but I want mine arounf 1,100 like I was at 18
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Look up Dr. Crisler. He's a doc in MI that is a leader in this field. He recommends 2x a week Sub Q. HCG therapy with Arimidex or Aromasin.

With sub q injections you can use an insulin needle and it is a lot easier than IM. Make sure they give you the 200mg/ml test so the volume is low.

Here's the Docs website: http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.html

I thought I had low T but it wasn't low enough (600) but I want mine arounf 1,100 like I was at 18
really good post. I'll add that 25 guage 5/8" needles are better than insulin needles. Also, make sure you get on some anti E drugs. Arimidex is a good one.
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I'm 58 and have been considering this. My libido has dropped immensely in the past few years. Guess it's time to go to the doc and have a chat. From what I've read, you really do need the doc to test and be taking the right dosage. Otherwise, your body converts any excess T to estrogen. Sorry, I have no desire to change sexes at this point in my life!!
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Forget the question of should you OR shouldn't you......get a baseline reading of "T" when you are younger. I am now close to 70 and the doc says "I wish we had a baseline from when you were younger", so whether you are thinking of taking T or not--- get a baseline reading now.
On another note.... My cardiologist told me.....if you have lost libido, gained weight, feel sluggish and don't give a $hit about anything, then maybe T is a good idea. T does have down sides just like estrogen.
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Why not hit the gym and do some squats and dead lifts? Engaging and stressing your large muscle groups (qaudriceps, glutes, hamstrings) should cause your body to generate testosterone naturally and for free - except for the time lost in the gym. If you're out of shape just start real slow, then build up to the heaviest weight that is sustainable doing 3 to 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps. You don't have to enter power lifting competitions or anything but to generate the most testosterone you do need to lift fairly heavy weight a couple times a week. I'd try that before starting a drug regiment that you have to maintain the rest of your "active" life. lol
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Why not hit the gym and do some squats and dead lifts? Engaging and stressing your large muscle groups (qaudriceps, glutes, hamstrings) should cause your body to generate testosterone naturally and for free - except for the time lost in the gym. If you're out of shape just start real slow, then build up to the heaviest weight that is sustainable doing 3 to 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps. You don't have to enter power lifting competitions or anything but to generate the most testosterone you do need to lift fairly heavy weight a couple times a week. I'd try that before starting a drug regiment that you have to maintain the rest of your "active" life. lol
This.


Also, many physicians and clinicians don't believe that "Low T" exists. It's apparently only in the minds of the drug companies.

New England Journal of Medicine:
http://www.jwatch.org/fw108028/2013/...ieve?query=pfw
NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/us...s-doctors.html
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I'm 58 and have been considering this. My libido has dropped immensely in the past few years. Guess it's time to go to the doc and have a chat. From what I've read, you really do need the doc to test and be taking the right dosage. Otherwise, your body converts any excess T to estrogen. Sorry, I have no desire to change sexes at this point in my life!!
I want Low T therapy and one of the reasons is conversion to estrogen. My E2 levels are terrible. I believe it was a 4 on the ultra sensitive assay.

Too low estrogen is bad news. Pain in the joints and many similar symptoms as Low T and hypothyroidism. Too high is bad as well, maybe worse. It's all about the perfect mix.


FYI keep your bodyfat low. Aromatase enzyme is more prevalent as BF increases.
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