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Old 10-08-2013, 08:54 AM
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:18 AM
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You know not of what you speak. Those dogs are FAR better trained than their handlers. The general command is to bite and hold. No doubt it is scary and hurts like a SOB but they are not "designed to rip a perp apart."
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Officers call for stronger laws to protect police dogs..........I just dont see it. So we've been told by many of our men in blue that police dogs are designed to rip the perp apart when they are on the job.

But making it illegal to harm a police dog is like saying it is proper to just sit there and let the dog rip you apart. Police officers supposedly have control over their actions but police dogs are designed to ravage so there is NO control over the degree of distruction they do.

It is human nature to fight back when being attacked and yet in the preposed action the police/ system is trying to tell us that we need to sit still while an angree large dog is trying to rip our arm or leg off.

It's not right and I don't get it.

edit: I just saw that other video where the police use the police dog as a weapon to inflict injury....not good!

Preface: My ex trained police K-9's for over 15 years (was not an officer though).

As noted, you know not of what you speak. They are not trained to "rip people apart". Depending on the K-9 specialty, or jack of all trades, they are designed to search, sniff, or hold. The latter being bite and hold.

When the K9 releases a bite, it is risk for the suspect to flee, or attack. The scary part to me is that the dogs were trained to bite for the groin.

Also, in this jurisdiction, assaulting a police K-9 carries the same weight as assaulting a human officer.

Just to add, local and state officers here are trained to give the warning to a suspect three times that the K-9 will be released. If you are dumb enough to not heed the warning, then I do not feel bad for you.
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"work mode".

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Is it also human nature to run when you're being chased? If you didn't do anything wrong then why are you running?

It's not a wild neighbor's poodle that's attacking you, it's a trained animal that, like others said, is probably better behaving than its handlers.
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My comment about the dog ripping a perp apart was based off of the other post that talked about a police dog that got unstuck from the mud and then ran off and killed a child because the dog was on active search and find mode. All I know is a lot of the LEO on here sure defended the dogs action in killing the child...because the dog was in "work mode".

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It's a dog. Not that I would put myself in a position to be attacked, but I am no sooner going to let a dog bite me than let a cop subdue me with repeated blows from a knightstick while just sitting there.
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It's bullshit, and although I agree, not for the reasons Garett states. It's a dog, not a person. Animal abuse absolutely, but not assaulting an officer. You can call it a K-9 officer if you want, but not to me. Where is your gun officer?
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1 - they're not "just dogs." They are expensive and highly-trained tools that perform multiple tasks better than humans, paid for by tax dollars. Invested are hundreds upon hundreds of hours of training and 10s of thousands of dollars in both the animal and the human; and not just initial training, but daily training.

2 - some dogs have an "off" switch and act like a house pet, are safe with children, etc. Some are JUST tools, and their drives are so high that they can only be working dogs who constantly need stimulation to perform a job. Some are just crazy, and only have contact with their handlers. There are differing philosophies on socializing, but the best LE dogs I've worked with can be turned "off" and played with.

3 - in some states, merely taunting a law enforcement K9 is illegal. Example...bar fight, drunks everywhere, and some jackass decides to go up to a car labeled "DANGER POLICE K9" and bang on the windows.

4 - as above, these laws aren't usually applied to fleeing criminals who hit a biting dog on the head (the dog couldn't care less). There have been cases of poisonings, assaults, shootings, stabbings, etc., which absolutely should carry a stiff penalty. Also, they would not be applied to the victim of a dog who "attacked" someone innocent without provocation.

5 - there is usually an "in the performance of duty" clause in these laws (unless the animal is intentionally targeted and harmed because of its "job"). Example...if you punch an off-duty police officer in the face because you don't like his Bob Marley t-shirt, that's simple assault. If he's arresting you because you just played grabass with a non-consenting adult, and THEN you punch him in the face, then it becomes assault on a government official. Usually the same for laws that protect LE canines.

6 - as the other educated folks above said, the dog is trained is to "bite and hold" thereby minimizing soft tissue damage. If, during training, a dog releases and bites, bites, bites, it gets retrained, or it gets gone. No agency wants the liability of a dog that doesn't perform to training standards and expectations in training, because real-world performance will be similar. Case law is extensive and somewhat restrictive in the deployment of a bite dog. It is VERY high on the use of force continuum, and deployments aren't taken lightly. Numerous times I've seen the threat of a bite stop a criminal. They will take their chances running, and will gamble with the police...but there are two things no experienced criminal wants: a Taser deployment, or a bite!

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Where is your gun officer?
He doesn't need one when he has your sack in his mouth. He can also outrun you.
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He doesn't need one when he has your sack in his mouth. He can also outrun you.
Yeah well, where I come from, when an animal bites a human, it gets put down. Highly trained and expensive does not qualify for exception.
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Yeah well, where I come from, when an animal bites a human, it gets put down. Highly trained and expensive does not qualify for exception.
It's almost impossible to get a dog put down in North Carolina, even after it has been legally declared vicious.

What exactly are you talking about? Biting a fleeing felon, or an unprovoked attack?
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Yeah well, where I come from, when an animal bites a human, it gets put down. Highly trained and expensive does not qualify for exception.
So you place a higher value on a fleeing felon than a K-9?

Interesting logic you have there.
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It's almost impossible to get a dog put down in North Carolina, even after it has been legally declared vicious.

What exactly are you talking about? Biting a fleeing felon, or an unprovoked attack?
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So you place a higher value on a fleeing felon than a K-9?

Interesting logic you have there.
I don't agree with using animals to attack people on command. I place a higher value on human life than any animal. Chase the guy yourself.

For the record, I've never been in trouble with the law and I have had a CWP for over 20 years.
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Originally Posted by Jersus View Post
Also, in this jurisdiction, assaulting a police K-9 carries the same weight as assaulting a human officer. .
An assault on the King's men is the same as an assault on the King.
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Originally Posted by Jersus View Post
So you place a higher value on a fleeing felon than a K-9?

Interesting logic you have there.
Yes. I do put higher value on a human being than a dog and so does the government unless it is one of THEIR dogs.
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Originally Posted by debugger View Post
I don't agree with using animals to attack people on command. I place a higher value on human life than any animal. Chase the guy yourself.

For the record, I've never been in trouble with the law and I have had a CWP for over 20 years.
Then of course you have no problem in the use of K 9's - after all they are a tool the department uses to protect the life and minimize the risk to the officers.
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Then of course you have no problem in the use of K 9's - after all they are a tool the department uses to protect the life and minimize the risk to the officers.
That is correct. The dog is the sacrifice.
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That is correct. The dog is the sacrifice.
So then you are in favor of protecting the assets that protect officers?
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