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Old 10-01-2013, 12:49 PM
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Reuters) - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will take one of the biggest hits of any federal agency if the government shuts down this week, operating with under 7 percent of its employees, according to guidance issued by the agency.

Among those furloughed would be most workers at the Office of Air and Radiation, which is in charge of writing and implementing most of the EPA's major air pollution rules. The clock would also stop, for now, on the EPA's eagerly-awaited proposal on renewable fuel volume standards for 2014.


Aw shucks: EPA won't be able to raise the cost of our energy through regulation or push 15% ethanol blend mandates. I'm beginning to like the gubment shutdown.
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If the House were to pass piece meal funding and not fund the EPA, HHS, NLRB and a few other choice agencies, we could save a bunch of money and no one would complain (except those so employed).
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No tears being shed here.
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Well sure the EPA approved the ETOH thing, but you are dumber then dog shit. Sections of the EPA work hard everyday to make sure the water your dumb ass drinks and the air you breath is safe.
You just no clue what the EPA does for your personal benefit. Cause you are just a one trick ETOH pony.
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Every business in this country has had to cut back because government tax increases and arrogance. It will not hurt any of these bureaurats to take a hit. They will pay themselves back most assuredly.
In the long run fewer than more would e a blessing.
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Originally Posted by CB Haws View Post
Well sure the EPA approved the ETOH thing, but you are dumber then dog shit. Sections of the EPA work hard everyday to make sure the water your dumb ass drinks and the air you breath is safe.
You just no clue what the EPA does for your personal benefit. Cause you are just a one trick ETOH pony.
Perhaps this is the sort of "direct language" that folks so reasoning challenged will be able to comprehend and I certainly concur with your perspective but civility is rarely a mistake.
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Originally Posted by CB Haws View Post
Well sure the EPA approved the ETOH thing, but you are dumber then dog shit. Sections of the EPA work hard everyday to make sure the water your dumb ass drinks and the air you breath is safe.
You just no clue what the EPA does for your personal benefit. Cause you are just a one trick ETOH pony.
Oh looks like I hit a nerve....

I surely would appreciate what the EPA does for me and my family on a daily basis. But mandating inefficient fuels in a free market society is crossing the line.

Stay classy NJ. You are better than personal attacks.
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Oh no!!! . Who's going to write more air pollution rules for us to follow??? Who's going to crack down on renewable fuel volume standards so they can tax us more and fine us for violations??? Who's gonna put more friggin corn in our gas ??? And for Gods sakes what about global warming - now who's gonna stop that??? Screw the EPA and all the other government boondoggles that waste our tax dollars. They can go get real jobs. I hope the government shuts down till 2016....
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Ah, the blissful ignorance of a true reactionary!

When the EPA mandated leak detection and spill prevention on underground tank (fuel)systems I participated in many, many tank replacements of non-compliant equipment.

The stuff I have seen is insane: excavations full of gasoline from leaky tanks, oil sludge running into storm drains from unprotected fill pipes, gasoline vapor finding its way onto drinking water (through the wells), leaky piping that slowly over time dumped hundreds or thousands of gallons of fuel into the groundwater, leaving black gooey sludge behind.

In one case there was a gas station that leaked into the storm drain, which then flowed downhill to a school that had to be evacuated because the fumes were making the kids sick.

Thing is, before EPA mandated spill prevention, secondary containment and electronic leak detection, the gas station owner had no idea there was a problem before it was too late and they would eventually lose the business because of lawsuits and leave behind the mess for someone else to clean up. With the new EPA mandates, the small business owner had the opportunity to take corrective action before the problem became catastrophic.

Due to their high initial cost, these technologies would not be implemented were it not for EPA mandates. Much like health insurance, people would rather not spend the money and take their chances, to the detriment not just of themselves, but their neighbors as well.

If you hate the EPA so much, spend a month or two in Shanghai or Beijing and see how much better life is without them.
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Ah, the blissful ignorance of a true reactionary!

When the EPA mandated leak detection and spill prevention on underground tank (fuel)systems I participated in many, many tank replacements of non-compliant equipment.

The stuff I have seen is insane: excavations full of gasoline from leaky tanks, oil sludge running into storm drains from unprotected fill pipes, gasoline vapor finding its way onto drinking water (through the wells), leaky piping that slowly over time dumped hundreds or thousands of gallons of fuel into the groundwater, leaving black gooey sludge behind.

In one case there was a gas station that leaked into the storm drain, which then flowed downhill to a school that had to be evacuated because the fumes were making the kids sick.

Thing is, before EPA mandated spill prevention, secondary containment and electronic leak detection, the gas station owner had no idea there was a problem before it was too late and they would eventually lose the business because of lawsuits and leave behind the mess for someone else to clean up. With the new EPA mandates, the small business owner had the opportunity to take corrective action before the problem became catastrophic.

Due to their high initial cost, these technologies would not be implemented were it not for EPA mandates. Much like health insurance, people would rather not spend the money and take their chances, to the detriment not just of themselves, but their neighbors as well.

If you hate the EPA so much, spend a month or two in Shanghai or Beijing and see how much better life is without them.
No way......

I'm sure their is a private company who can do the same thing
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No way......

I'm sure their is a private company who can do the same thing
And for cheaper
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Originally Posted by CB Haws View Post
Well sure the EPA approved the ETOH thing, but you are dumber then dog shit. Sections of the EPA work hard everyday to make sure the water your dumb ass drinks and the air you breath is safe.
You just no clue what the EPA does for your personal benefit. Cause you are just a one trick ETOH pony.
CB - spend some time researching which 2 million federal government employees (plus 1.6 million in the military) are "essential" and still working and which 800,000 are furloughed before you post such a half-cocked and wrong opinion.
Those EPA workers doing safety testing and monitoring are still working - but the 70% of the EPA staff that does nothing but office work and policy are enjoying the day off. You may want or need more EPA supervision and regulation in your life, but most all the rest of us do not.
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Well LI I have to say you do not have a clue. Maybe you should do some research, but my bet is you have no clue where to start. You spout some numbers like you have a clue, but you do not.
I work with the EPA all time. I sell the high tech scientific they use to protect even folks like you. All the labs around the country who are normally running samples are all shut down. All the projects I have been working with the EPA on are shut down. The samples sitting waiting to be run will be lost due to "hold times". These include running samples evaluating and writing methods for spray foams. You may think so what. Well spray foams are dangerous. I had my house spray foamed by a company spouting environmentally safe and water based. I knew other wise and left the house for two days. There is no such thing as a safe spray foam. The EPA is working to develop an ASTM approved method so folks like you will be protected.
LI it's folks like you, on the outside, who think you have some facts. You really the one with a half-coked and wrong opinion. My statements are not opinions, but fact.
I deal with the labs around the country who sample and run those samples. Water quality testing, shut down. Air quality testing, shut down. Every lab shut down.They are all shut down. Purchasing is shut down and orders for equipment and supplies are not going out. Receiving is shut down and items that will be delivered during the shutdown are in danger of being lost or damaged and refrigerated items will be lost.
Dude you really do not have a clue. Plus most of the equipment was shut down Monday morning and the folks went home. Some of the scientific equipment will take days or even a week to get back in operation.
LI I do not know what you do for a living, but you have no idea about the scientific end of the Federal . It is a lot bigger then just the EPA. I do a lot of work in chemical weapons analysis. Most of those labs are also shut down.
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I'm sure you love the EPA because they are your bread and butter, but in the past 5 years they have promulgated 46 regulatory actions that are considered major or controversial. So much so that democrats and republicans alike have taken action in congress that would overturn or limit certain EPA rules. In particular, the clean air act and certai of the greenhouse emissions standards. You also have the renewable fuels standards many of which are both highly controversial and provide no benefit. Even the toxic substance control act most affecting contractors doing any rehab work are a joke.

Unfortunately the EPA is becoming an arm of the enviro wacko groups and not representative of sound regulatory practices. The coal industry and the thousands it employs continues to be attacked all the while we have what most would consider a failed energy policy based on hope.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the EPA does no good or that all rules simply hurt business, but like any other regulatory agency, they have overstepped their bounds.

I personally feel bad for anyone out of a job. At least these poor slobs get out of bed everyday and work. But unfortunately we are at an impasse here. We are out of money, have staggering debt, and are now entering the age of obamacare which I have yet to speak to a single person but for the most uninformed or very liberal as being supported.
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Originally Posted by CB Haws View Post
Well LI I have to say you do not have a clue. Maybe you should do some research, but my bet is you have no clue where to start. You spout some numbers like you have a clue, but you do not.
I work with the EPA all time. I sell the high tech scientific they use to protect even folks like you. All the labs around the country who are normally running samples are all shut down. All the projects I have been working with the EPA on are shut down. The samples sitting waiting to be run will be lost due to "hold times". These include running samples evaluating and writing methods for spray foams. You may think so what. Well spray foams are dangerous. I had my house spray foamed by a company spouting environmentally safe and water based. I knew other wise and left the house for two days. There is no such thing as a safe spray foam. The EPA is working to develop an ASTM approved method so folks like you will be protected.
LI it's folks like you, on the outside, who think you have some facts. You really the one with a half-coked and wrong opinion. My statements are not opinions, but fact.
I deal with the labs around the country who sample and run those samples. Water quality testing, shut down. Air quality testing, shut down. Every lab shut down.They are all shut down. Purchasing is shut down and orders for equipment and supplies are not going out. Receiving is shut down and items that will be delivered during the shutdown are in danger of being lost or damaged and refrigerated items will be lost.
Dude you really do not have a clue. Plus most of the equipment was shut down Monday morning and the folks went home. Some of the scientific equipment will take days or even a week to get back in operation.
LI I do not know what you do for a living, but you have no idea about the scientific end of the Federal . It is a lot bigger then just the EPA. I do a lot of work in chemical weapons analysis. Most of those labs are also shut down.
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Well sure the EPA approved the ETOH thing, but you are dumber then dog shit. Sections of the EPA work hard everyday to make sure the water your dumb ass drinks and the air you breath is safe.
You just no clue what the EPA does for your personal benefit. Cause you are just a one trick ETOH pony.
There is no EPA in many countries and they do just fine. Panama being the latest I have visited. Great food, air and water. It was reported this AM that 5.7 percent of the EPA employees are"critical" and have to work during the shut down. So 94 percent are not necessary. Funny things we learn when the rulers shut down for business. BTW we managed just fine for 150 or so years without it.....
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there is no epa in many countries and they do just fine. Panama being the latest i have visited. Great food, air and water. It was reported this am that 5.7 percent of the epa employees are"critical" and have to work during the shut down. So 94 percent are not necessary. Funny things we learn when the rulers shut down for business. Btw we managed just fine for 150 or so years without it.....
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Hunter you fall into the category of willfull ignorant. I am suprised you can even find your butt with the paper. Panama has almost no industry. Google Panama Gold Mining. Mining is the number industry in panama. It is all taking place in the interior. Take a look at the pictures and then consider what Panama will be like with no oversite. I am all for gold mining. Hell I belong to GPAA (Gold Prospectore of America Association). Hunter you just stupid,
By the way I am a tea party guy. Very conservative, but some of you guys are just stupid.
By the way China has nothing like the EPA. Try visiting there for a few days. That is all you last before you get a headache from the pollution or sick because of the water.
I travel to Mexico all the time. Interior not fancy resorts, and get the shits everytime.
Bad water. Have you ever visited , Turkey, Italy, Greece, Egypt? bad air and bad water and nothing like the EPA. Now Israel you can drink the water. They have a good strong environmental program.
As for the 5.7% number. Well it does not include to folks who run the samples, do the work and keep us safe. I think the 5.7% are the managment folks who don't do the work.
By the way the USGS is shut down, USDA labs, FDA labs. How do I know? I tired calling my contacts who run the equipment. I sell sample prep systems to the USDA and FDA for pesticide the testing in food.
Now who do I blame. The Democrats. Do you know the parks service has dispatched to keep people from even walking through the Washington DC Memorials. Hell if the government can have folks there to keep out. You would think they could have people there to answer your question. The whole thing is politics. With Obama being the chief jester.
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I work with the EPA all time. I sell the high tech scientific they use to protect even folks like you. .

I see.

To think that anyone on here wants to have kids become sick, drink gas, put sludge in the water, etc (your insinuation) is rediculous. Nobody wants that.

The EPA and pretty much every other govt agency has gone beyond what thier bosses (american citizens) have requested. Its time to thin the herd and get them back in check.
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Originally Posted by CB Haws View Post
Hunter you fall into the category of willfull ignorant. I am suprised you can even find your butt with the paper. Panama has almost no industry. Google Panama Gold Mining. Mining is the number industry in panama. It is all taking place in the interior. Take a look at the pictures and then consider what Panama will be like with no oversite. I am all for gold mining. Hell I belong to GPAA (Gold Prospectore of America Association). Hunter you just stupid,
By the way I am a tea party guy. Very conservative, but some of you guys are just stupid.
By the way China has nothing like the EPA. Try visiting there for a few days. That is all you last before you get a headache from the pollution or sick because of the water.
I travel to Mexico all the time. Interior not fancy resorts, and get the shits everytime.
Bad water. Have you ever visited , Turkey, Italy, Greece, Egypt? bad air and bad water and nothing like the EPA. Now Israel you can drink the water. They have a good strong environmental program.
As for the 5.7% number. Well it does not include to folks who run the samples, do the work and keep us safe. I think the 5.7% are the managment folks who don't do the work.
By the way the USGS is shut down, USDA labs, FDA labs. How do I know? I tired calling my contacts who run the equipment. I sell sample prep systems to the USDA and FDA for pesticide the testing in food.
Now who do I blame. The Democrats. Do you know the parks service has dispatched to keep people from even walking through the Washington DC Memorials. Hell if the government can have folks there to keep out. You would think they could have people there to answer your question. The whole thing is politics. With Obama being the chief jester.
Calling someone stupid with the grammar you just wrote? The number one industry is the canal and Panama City is booming, over a million people, and they don't need an EPA. The idiot in this thread is the one who drops insult after insult, can't write and has sold his sole to the goverment.
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