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Old 10-01-2013, 08:35 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOcacu2pJD0#t=336
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The War on Drugs has and is taking its toll on our rights and is delegitimizing LE making them little more than another profit center for local and state governments.
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Tennessee aka lil mexico.... the dang federales.
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I dont think most truckers have 200,000 in cash, and most business people use bank drafts to transfer that amount of money
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Originally Posted by edwardh1 View Post
I dont think most truckers have 200,000 in cash, and most business people use bank drafts to transfer that amount of money
So it is okay for the government to steal your property if you don't do what most people do?
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So it is okay for the government to steal your property if you don't do what most people do?
Absolutely not, but I will agree that $200k cash wrapped in plastic and duct tape in the back of a big rig is mighty suspicious. On the other hand, civilians may have several thousand dollars on them if they're going to make a cash deal on a boat or car with another individual. If there's no evidence of drugs or history in the business, i don't see how they could just take it. On the other hand, criminals are getting very smart and by now know not to keep their big money around the actual product, so what is a reasonable way for police hold money like that, or what is considered reasonable suspicion for them to intervene and start an investigation. Obviously it's different by state, but it's a broad topic of discussion for sure.

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Exactly why I stopped getting my corn liquor there.
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There was a case a year or two ago where a hispanic immigrant bought a truck and would drive it south to purchase nursery plants and then drive north and sell them, he was stopped headed south with the cash and they seized everything. There was another instance that was discussed on THT where an attorney had cash at his house and decided to deposit it in a bank while he was having a contractor do some remodeling and he was arrested and jailed for depositing his own money lawfully obtained and taxes paid because he deposited it in amounts below $10K.

Fortunately or at least it use to be the case that we did not need to prove our innocence to the government in this country but that if we infringed on the rights of others the government had to prove that we were guilty before being deprived of our life, liberty, and or property.
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So it is okay for the government to steal your property if you don't do what most people do?
The video states that the people whose cash has been seized can file paperwork to get the money back. Of course, that means they will need to prove where it came from....I don't call that stealing.

Then again, proving where the cash came from could be a problem for drug cartels and other criminals who launder cash.

Let's analyze what happens when cops seize drugs or cash. The drugs are burned and thankfully no one gets the opportunity to kill their brains cells by using the crap. The cartels lose the profits from lost sales but they expect to lose some shipments and don't really care since they don't pay much on the supply side.

The seizure of cash hurts drug cartels much more because they went to all the trouble to traffic, distribute and sell the drugs. They need to replenish their working capital. The loss of working capital hurts them much more.

The good news is these cops salaries are funded by the proceeds they capture. There is no cost to the tax payers, well other than funding their retirement and healthcare plans.

I don't know anyone who operates a legitimate business that is funded by cash only, a legitimate business where there are no bank accounts or bank records.

Someone, enlighten me on some of these legitimate cash only businesses where a guy might need to transport a couple hundred thousand at a time in the back of a semi truck from the east coast to the west coast.

I know one thing for certain, if I had to transport a couple hundred grand of my own money, I would do it myself, I would have proof of it's origin in my possession and I would have protection with me.

The bottom line is, the money that is being seized is from criminal enterprises, whatever enterprise that might be.

I know all you drug loving people will flame me for this post. Over and out.
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Just went thru there no problems, but in georiga many vehicles stopped and all were being searched .
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I know one thing for certain, if I had to transport a couple hundred grand of my own money, I would do it myself, I would have proof of it's origin in my possession and I would have protection with me.
So your saying that it would be okay for your cash to be seized and it would be okay with you to go thru the red tape and paperwork to get it back in a few months or years maybe?

P.S. there is no proof that you could have that would be satisfactory to any on-site LEO, local prosecutor, etc. You would still have to file reams of paperwork and spend lots of more money via your attorney to get your initial cash back.
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So your saying that it would be okay for your cash to be seized and it would be okay with you to go thru the red tape and paperwork to get it back in a few months or years maybe?

P.S. there is no proof that you could have that would be satisfactory to any on-site LEO, local prosecutor, etc. You would still have to file reams of paperwork and spend lots of more money via your attorney to get your initial cash back.
That is what you have to go thru. Check out this story on the same thing.

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The video states that the people whose cash has been seized can file paperwork to get the money back. Of course, that means they will need to prove where it came from....I don't call that stealing.

Then again, proving where the cash came from could be a problem for drug cartels and other criminals who launder cash.

Let's analyze what happens when cops seize drugs or cash. The drugs are burned and thankfully no one gets the opportunity to kill their brains cells by using the crap. The cartels lose the profits from lost sales but they expect to lose some shipments and don't really care since they don't pay much on the supply side.

The seizure of cash hurts drug cartels much more because they went to all the trouble to traffic, distribute and sell the drugs. They need to replenish their working capital. The loss of working capital hurts them much more.

The good news is these cops salaries are funded by the proceeds they capture. There is no cost to the tax payers, well other than funding their retirement and healthcare plans.

I don't know anyone who operates a legitimate business that is funded by cash only, a legitimate business where there are no bank accounts or bank records.

Someone, enlighten me on some of these legitimate cash only businesses where a guy might need to transport a couple hundred thousand at a time in the back of a semi truck from the east coast to the west coast.

I know one thing for certain, if I had to transport a couple hundred grand of my own money, I would do it myself, I would have proof of it's origin in my possession and I would have protection with me.

The bottom line is, the money that is being seized is from criminal enterprises, whatever enterprise that might be.

I know all you drug loving people will flame me for this post. Over and out.
The problem in this country is that there are still enough people that think like you. Most of these seizures aren't six figure seizures. People carry cash -- and substantial quantities of it -- for a million legitimate reasons. And, they're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

As a lawyer who has represented these people in what my opinion are just legally sanctioned shake downs, I can tell you it is not that easy to get the money back. You're working against strict deadlines and against adversaries who have law enforcement authority AND a monetary interest in the outcome. You're essentially putting law enforcement on a contingency fee schedule, which is a disgrace.
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i keep telling people that our freedom is very limited but some dont listen.
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Saltwaters is from Irvine, ca, usa
If you are inferring that I'm a liberal because I live in Ca, you are wrong. I am as conservative as anyone here.

I support the War on Drugs even though I don't call it a war. I call arresting drug smugglers, drug distributors and drug users the right thing to do and something law enforcement should do. Distributing drugs is a criminal offense.

I do not support government intervention. The exception is, I support all activities the government does that will eliminate drugs in America.

I support the smallest government we can have and want them out of my daily life. I am a law abiding individual. I want the government (leo) meddling in criminals lives on a daily basis.

The problem is there are a lot of criminals in this country and most crime revolves around drugs.

I can guarantee all of you, if Americans would stop taking what you refer to as 'recreational' drugs crime would go down, we would not have a gang problem, we would have less people living on welfare....the list goes on and on.

Most if not all of our social problems can be linked to drug use.
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So your saying that it would be okay for your cash to be seized and it would be okay with you to go thru the red tape and paperwork to get it back in a few months or years maybe?

P.S. there is no proof that you could have that would be satisfactory to any on-site LEO, local prosecutor, etc. You would still have to file reams of paperwork and spend lots of more money via your attorney to get your initial cash back.
I am a law abiding person. I have no reason to take even $1,000 dollars in cash anywhere I go.
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Originally Posted by SN00KERED View Post
The problem in this country is that there are still enough people that think like you. Most of these seizures aren't six figure seizures. People carry cash -- and substantial quantities of it -- for a million legitimate reasons. And, they're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

As a lawyer who has represented these people in what my opinion are just legally sanctioned shake downs, I can tell you it is not that easy to get the money back. You're working against strict deadlines and against adversaries who have law enforcement authority AND a monetary interest in the outcome. You're essentially putting law enforcement on a contingency fee schedule, which is a disgrace.
Since you have personal experience with people who transport large sums of cash, why don't you name some legitimate reasons why your clients have had these large sums of cash with them when it was confiscated?
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That is what you have to go thru. Check out this story on the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMZiyR-wxc
That there is a POS of a police officer who doesn't deserve to have badge
Never trust a cop with a tattoo on his neck... I'll carry my money where I want and should be none of there dam business... It could be used for a lot things... Boy that burns my butt... That's a great example of why the public has lost respect for law enforcement ..they need money so bad they have to steal it .. Then blackmail you to get part of it back
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