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Old 09-30-2013, 07:14 AM
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My experience with shooting bows is limited to summer camp when I was a kid. My son was interested in archery this summer so I signed him up for archery camp at my local Izaak Walton. The guys teaching the class (volunteer members) are all big bow hunters - very nice and they were great with the kids over the 10 weeks they volunteered their time.

My son loved it so much I bought him his first bow and Elkhorn 15lb - 22lb. Anyway, the instructors taught the kids all of the basics to include safety, which was stressed above all else. My son's accuracy improved dramatically over the summer.

Now my question is, what is the proper way to hold the string after the arrow is knocked? In other words, is it forefinger above the arrow/knock and middle finger below the arrow/knock? They taught the kids to grip the string with their finger tips and place eitehr two or three fingers just below the arrow/knock. In fact one of the instructors went out of their way to correct my son who first gripped it as I described in the earlier example. Everything I remember from shooting a bow, I placed my forefinger above the arrow/knock and my middle below.

Is there a right and wrong way to hold the string after knocking the arrow?
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There are a couple of different styles, the most prominent is as you mentioned with your index finger above the arrow and two below. You will also find the "anchor point" is a personal choice.

Does he use a glove or a tab?
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There are a couple of different styles, the most prominent is as you mentioned with your index finger above the arrow and two below. You will also find the "anchor point" is a personal choice.

Does he use a glove or a tab?
So is it wrong to place two or three fingers below the arrow/knock? Will that effect the trajectory of the arrow at all?

He has a 3 finger glove, usually shoots with just two fingers. His bow (Elkhorn) is very basic, no peep sites and such.

What is the anchor point method?
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Most people shoot with three fingers, one above and two below. Your son might be OK using two fingers with a lightweight bow now, but may need the third finger with more draw weight.

I'm a merit badge counselor for archery in BSA. In Boy Scouts, the kids now have to qualify at 15 yards, up from ten yards a couple of years ago. They need at least 25 pounds in draw weight to do well.

The consistent anchor point is a critical component good accuracy. When you draw the bow you need to find a place to anchor your bow string hand. For me its at the bottom of the jaw, just in front of my ear lobe. It can be different for other people. There are some good videos on this on YouTube.

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tell him to use all 3 fingers-- the style your talking about is 3 under - it moves the arrow closer to the level of the eye-- - the traditional way is - first finger over 2 fingers under --

back ground - long bow -multi state and national competition. shooter - also wife is multi state champion and IBO traditional long bow shooter --state -and national and world class IBO--

either way is fine - i like the trad way better as it lets you control holding the arrow onto the string --
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Good info, thanks for the replies.

I will let him mess around with both styles to see what he feels mroe comfortable with.

I assume they decided to teach kids the 3 under since it might be easier to help them aim the arrow at the target?

I never really paid attention to his anchor point, but will watch next time and ask him if he is
conscientious about pulling it back to the same spot every time.
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It is not wrong, just a different method. http://www.recurvebows.com/pages/bow...-string/page-2

It may affect the trajectory but you are looking for consistency. I shoot a longbow and feel I have better control over the arrow when one finger above and two below but some prefer all three fingers below as their sight picture is better. The nock may need to be adjusted up or down to compensate.

As I said, you are looking for consistency so when you draw the bow you want to have some place, usually on your face (your "anchor point"), that you anchor your hand/arrow/string/nock. Your index or middle finger in the corner of your mouth is a common point, it is one less variable to worry about while practicing.

Basic/simple is good IMHO which is why I changed from a compound to a longbow. Before changing back I removed all but one pin from my sight, mind you I hunt and do not shoot competition. At this age I would want it to be fun, not worried about gadgets and gizmos.
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He is having fun and that's all that counts. He thinks compound bows look cool. Can't say I disagree... Whatever keeps him interested.

So the guys put some dental floss on the string either just below or above the little brass knocking point? which the arrow kinda clips onto. I think they did this because there seemed to be a bit of play between the arrow and string. Is that normal?
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The serving on the string was probably worn or maybe the nocks did not snap on like most modern nocks do.
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Either way works. With the 1 over 2 under method they sometimes will "pinch" the knock and that can cause the arrow to fall off the rest while drawing/holding. Personally I liked using the 3 under hold and looking down the arrow to "aim". I haven't shot in years, but used to do a lot of indoor shoots and 3d's back in the day.
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I shoot a long bow. One over two under and my middle finger goes in the corner of my mouth for my anchor point. I tilt the bow to 1 oclock, right hand shooter, this puts my eye looking right down the shaft. It's a great sport. I have done it my entire life.

There is also a method called string walking. I don't know anyone that does it. but it said to be very accurate.
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I always shoot 3 under.

1. Much, much more accurate site line.
2. Never any pinching problems which can cause two problems.
a. Arrow falls off notch
b. Arrow flight can be effected by pinching

once a person gets the feel of three under they will never look back in my opinion.
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All great input - I am happy to know he was taught a proper way to shoot.

Thanks again!
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All great input - I am happy to know he was taught a proper way to shoot.

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FWIW, when I shot a longbow and recurve it was always three under. Easier to knock an arrow and the grip is more consistent. As Deadhorse mentioned, it gets the arrow closer to the eye too.

Have you checked him for eye dominance yet? I struggled with accuracy until I found out that I was left-eye dominant and shooting right handed. Learned to shoot while squinting my left eye and everything fell into place.
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Originally Posted by VanderLaan View Post
FWIW, when I shot a longbow and recurve it was always three under. Easier to knock an arrow and the grip is more consistent. As Deadhorse mentioned, it gets the arrow closer to the eye too.

Have you checked him for eye dominance yet? I struggled with accuracy until I found out that I was left-eye dominant and shooting right handed. Learned to shoot while squinting my left eye and everything fell into place.
After the safety course, eye dominance was the first they had the kids figure out. He is right eye dominante. He's actually turned into a decent shot for his age and experience level.

Mom bought him a release for his birthday. Is it okay to just clip that on the string and let'r fly or does he need one of those loop thingy's attached to his string?
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If he is shooting a traditional bow, I would suggest that you have him shoot with his fingers. While it may be difficult for him to get a smooth release in the beginning, it is going to be even more difficult to transition from the release to fingers when he gets older. Better to take the release back and buy him a nice shooting glove. Plus he is not going to misplace or lose his fingers.

If you do decide to let him shoot with a release, best to have a bow shop put a "D loop" on the string, as releases can cause wear on the string.
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Originally Posted by VanderLaan View Post
If he is shooting a traditional bow, I would suggest that you have him shoot with his fingers. While it may be difficult for him to get a smooth release in the beginning, it is going to be even more difficult to transition from the release to fingers when he gets older. Better to take the release back and buy him a nice shooting glove. Plus he is not going to misplace or lose his fingers.

If you do decide to let him shoot with a release, best to have a bow shop put a "D loop" on the string, as releases can cause wear on the string.
It is a compound bow. Yea the "D loop" is what I was referring too.
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wait a min -- is it a traditional bow or is it a compound bow -- big differance-- all these guys gave you advice for a traditional bow - long bow - recurve--

a compound bow is not a traditional bow --

you trad shooters - any of you go to cloverdale indiana and shoot the national matches -- wife and i used to go every year -- but stoped shooting about 4 years ago--
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wait a min -- is it a traditional bow or is it a compound bow -- big differance-- all these guys gave you advice for a traditional bow - long bow - recurve--

a compound bow is not a traditional bow --

you trad shooters - any of you go to cloverdale indiana and shoot the national matches -- wife and i used to go every year -- but stoped shooting about 4 years ago--
Compound, but does all of that mean? So now he should not shoot 3 fingers below?
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