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Don’t mess with Texas has assumed a whole new meaning in Dallas.

The Dallas County Sheriff’s Office traveled to Fort Hood this month to acquire its own bona fide military vehicle – the International MaxxPro MRAP tactical vehicle -- courtesy of a Department of Defense surplus program.

According to The Dallas Observer, the sheriff’s office obtained the 19-ton, diesel-operated behemoth with bullet-proof doors and tires, designed by Navistar Defense.

“The MaxxPro MRAP is built to withstand ballistic arms fire, mine blasts, IEDs, and other emerging threats,” according to the Navistar website. “Its V-shaped hull helps deflect blasts out and away from the crew and its armoring can be customized to meet any mission requirement.”

The specific vehicle obtained by the Dallas sheriff’s office was never used overseas and claims only about 10,000 miles of use, but other similar vehicles were reportedly employed by the military in war zones, and specifically to withstand roadside IEDs, or improvised explosive devices.

The Observer writes the sheriff’s office will now use it to serve warrants on wanted men.

“Having a tactical vehicle will not only provide warrants execution with the equipment to assist in performing their jobs, but will provide an overall safety arch," Chief Deputy Marlin Suell reportedly wrote to county commissioners in informing them of the acquisition.

The vehicle costs about $600,000, but the county obtained it solely for the cost of transporting it from Fort Hood.

The Observer also reports that Dallas County is not alone in taking advantage of the MRAP surplus program.

The Murfreesboro Post in Murfreesboro, Tenn., reports the city police department acquired its own MRAP in August, prompting City Councilman Toby Gilley to reassure concerned citizens at a council meeting that it will be used to confront, “threats from armed gunmen.”

And don’t look now, but Ohio State University also counts an MRAP among its service fleet.

The college reportedly obtained one of the armored vehicles through the same means as Murfreesboro and Dallas County in mid-September.

Said Campus Police Chief Paul Denton at the time, “We pride ourselves on being self-sufficient from local authorities. Frankly, we have to be. We are the primary responder."
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Dallas County, with it's population of 2.5mil legal, plus who knows how many illegal, citizens gets one (1) "militarized" vehicle. That's what the article says, anyways. That, to me, sounds like a large department just got a new toy and was not fully militarized like the thread title leads one to believe.
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Originally Posted by burtonboards32 View Post
Dallas County, with it's population of 2.5mil legal, plus who knows how many illegal, citizens gets one (1) "militarized" vehicle. That's what the article says, anyways. That, to me, sounds like a large department just got a new toy and was not fully militarized like the thread title leads one to believe.
It's still yet another step in the wrong direction of a field that is already over-stepping it's purpose and loaded with power hungry control freaks. How long until they're using Blackhawk helicopters and fast-roping in to serve a warrant for a traffic citation?
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It's still yet another step in the wrong direction of a field that is already over-stepping it's purpose and loaded with power hungry control freaks. How long until they're using Blackhawk helicopters and fast-roping in to serve a warrant for a traffic citation?
So, is a step in the right direction taking their department issued firearms, issuing whistles, then putting them on bicycles rather than cruisers?
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So, is a step in the right direction taking their department issued firearms, issuing whistles, then putting them on bicycles rather than cruisers?
There is no reason for local LEO to have military vehicles, that is the purpose of the guard. I dont know about you but from the sounds of it, your ok with drones, para-military forces walking around with m4 carbines, hell lets give'm an Abrams as well, all in the name of "security"
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There is no reason for local LEO to have military vehicles, that is the purpose of the guard. I dont know about you but from the sounds of it, your ok with drones, para-military forces walking around with m4 carbines, hell lets give'm an Abrams as well, all in the name of "security"
I wanna be the driver....
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There is no reason for local LEO to have military vehicles, that is the purpose of the guard. I dont know about you but from the sounds of it, your ok with drones, para-military forces walking around with m4 carbines, hell lets give'm an Abrams as well, all in the name of "security"
To a point, I am ok with it. Any fool with $1,000 and the internet can pick up a used M4 Carbine with about 3.2 seconds of searching Google. http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/thr...-North-West-GA . If you have a decent generator for sale/trade, you too can have one, as this guy is looking for a trade! I have no problem with the police having anything that the general public can also have, ie M4 Carbine, as it doesn't make much sense to send them with a knife to a gun fight.
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Posse Comitatus Act is supposed to keep the Military from doing police work on American citizens.
I guess its OK if military trained personnel using military equipment drive military armored vehicles through your living room as long as they arent members of the military
I see here there is actually some members of THT that are OK with that and to me that is mind boggling.
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To a point, I am ok with it. Any fool with $1,000 and the internet can pick up a used M4 Carbine with about 3.2 seconds of searching Google. http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/thr...-North-West-GA . If you have a decent generator for sale/trade, you too can have one, as this guy is looking for a trade! I have no problem with the police having anything that the general public can also have, ie M4 Carbine, as it doesn't make much sense to send them with a knife to a gun fight.
An M4 is fine as a trunk gun to be used as a backup in the proper scenario i.e. North Hollywood shootout. But military vehicles are wayyyy over the top for use in civilian oriented law enforcement operations. Especially with the level of incompetence we've scene in LE as of late.
This is not Iraq.
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Originally Posted by jerseysportfisher View Post
There is no reason for local LEO to have military vehicles, that is the purpose of the guard. I dont know about you but from the sounds of it, your ok with drones, para-military forces walking around with m4 carbines, hell lets give'm an Abrams as well, all in the name of "security"
This is nothing new for SWAT units at any dept with any size... While these vehicles are used for transportation and shielding hostile fire if needed, there main purpose is just a show of force. SWAT techniques are to negotiate, stand ready and wear down a barricaded or hostage situation... The armored car rarely does more than transport and they always go when serving high risk search and arrest warrants..
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Originally Posted by BlueRudy View Post
Posse Comitatus Act is supposed to keep the Military from doing police work on American citizens.
I guess its OK if military trained personnel using military equipment drive military armored vehicles through your living room as long as they arent members of the military
I see here there is actually some members of THT that are OK with that and to me that is mind boggling.
Actually been a cop a long time in the area you live, I cant remember an armored car ever going through anyone's living room anywhere here in N.Fl and nationally maybe a handful of times and those were very extreme circumstances. I think the vast majority of THT knows the difference between reality and non issues...
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To a point, I am ok with it. Any fool with $1,000 and the internet can pick up a used M4 Carbine with about 3.2 seconds of searching Google. http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/thr...-North-West-GA . If you have a decent generator for sale/trade, you too can have one, as this guy is looking for a trade! I have no problem with the police having anything that the general public can also have, ie M4 Carbine, as it doesn't make much sense to send them with a knife to a gun fight.
to bad, that is illegal for me to purchase in that configuration.
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to bad, that is illegal for me to purchase in that configuration.
Yea, I just want to mount that 50 cal on my boat. While it is allowed, I just cant quite afford it...
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It's still yet another step in the wrong direction of a field that is already over-stepping it's purpose and loaded with power hungry control freaks. How long until they're using Blackhawk helicopters and fast-roping in to serve a warrant for a traffic citation?
Mexican drug cartels have weapons so the cops need bigger and better to compete.
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Actually been a cop a long time in the area you live, I cant remember an armored car ever going through anyone's living room anywhere here in N.Fl and nationally maybe a handful of times and those were very extreme circumstances. I think the vast majority of THT knows the difference between reality and non issues...
Cracker I am confident you will never drive an armored vehicle through someones house. I am also confident that law enforcement will never have reason to come to my house much less with a SWAT team.
I am however concerned about a government (Fed, State and local) that is growing larger and far more powerful than its citizens.
This country was founded on and has prospered with a system that balances powers. We are moving away from that balance rapidly.
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Yea, I just want to mount that 50 cal on my boat. While it is allowed, I just cant quite afford it...
hey , atleast you can play with class III weapons
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Mexican drug cartels have weapons so the cops need bigger and better to compete.
Yeah we know, our gov't arms them
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Cracker I am confident you will never drive an armored vehicle through someones house. I am also confident that law enforcement will never have reason to come to my house much less with a SWAT team.
I am however concerned about a government (Fed, State and local) that is growing larger and far more powerful than its citizens.
This country was founded on and has prospered with a system that balances powers. We are moving away from that balance rapidly.
I agree, a larger, and possibly still growing government, is not a good thing, BUT I do not feel that properly preparing and equipping a police force with training and equipment that any citizen with the drive, time and money can go about receiving themselves. Again, I would not want to send a police officer with a knife to a gun fight.
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Wonder why the US Army is giving them away? How about a useless POS too small and has constant maintenance. Sheer weight breaks them down and they don't stock parts at Auto Zone. Taxpayers will pay for this junk until the cops find out what the Army already knows. If they were of combat value they would keep them in service or transfer them to the NG. Strange the very old M113 was still in service in Iraq.
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