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Old 07-09-2013, 09:53 AM
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Most people, in the past just left it that way, Take out the percussion cap or flint or tape and store it. History is rife with stories of muzzleloaders discharging unexpectedly.
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I used to touch it off the last minute of the season while still in the woods right before getting in the truck to leave. I was always concerned about forgetting by the next season and double charging the breach. It's easier to just send it down range into a tree/target than marking the ram etc.. and also allowed me to give it a good cleaning before putting it away for the off season.
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
So every day before that last day you would just leave it in there? ;?

Would you guys run the ram down the barrel before going out the next day if you left it packed from the day or week before just to be on the safe side??? ;?
You should have marks on your ram ahead of time, and you should always run the ram down before charging it.

To answer your original question, yes I would always shoot it at the end of the day. Are inline muzzleloaders allowed where you hunt?
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Yeah muzzle loaders are allowed........what's this "inline" muzzle loader business all about?
It's...well... inline. Picture a single shot rifle, but with a rifled 50 cal barrel. You load the pyrodex & sabot from from the muzzle, but it's ignited with a 209 shotgun primer that gets loaded at the breech.

Savage makes a really nice one, and some of them can even take modern smokeless powder rather than black powder & equivalents.
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So every day before that last day you would just leave it in there? ;?
Yes, I leave it in for the season, just make sure you take the cap off the nipple when not carrying in the woods. The in-lines are nice. Watch your powder volume when using different powders, even different types of black powder can measure differently due to the size and shape of the powder grounds.
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Oh so you were jerking my chain a little bit ......it's all good.
I need to educate myself if I want to expand my hunting season.
Um, not really. What are we confused on?
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Starting a little early today, are we?
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They make a bullet puller you can screw onto the end of your ram rod that can be used to pull the bullet and empty the powder. Some more modern muzzleloaders have a removeable breech plug that can make it easier to remove powder/ball..
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some of the "inline" muzzleloaders such as CVA have a removeable breech plug. If you remove the breech plug you can push your projectile and powder charge out the back rather than discharging the gun and getting it dirty. Be aware that although many manufacturers have removeable plugs some of the plugs are actually smaller that the inside diameter of the barrel so the projectile and powder will not push out the back. With those models you must either fire it or use a bullet puller from the muzzle.

I usually leave the charge and projectile in if I'm hunting over several days...but no more than that. Blackpowder had a tendency to absorb moisture from the environment and oil from the barrel which can at minimum diminish the power of the charge or at the worst render it useless.

Make sure in your state "in-line" muzzleloaders are legal. Some states define a muzzleloader as "traditional" and do not recognize the newer technology or 209 primers and require the old percussion or flint lock style actions. Additionally some states do not recognize telescopic sights (scopes) as legal on a muzzleloader while other do.

If your state recognizes "in-line" as legal... I highly reccomend them. The newer technology with "in-line" rifles, sabot projectiles, and pelletized powder (pre measured pellets) has made muzzleloading easier, and a lot more consistent.

A final note: Blackpowder and its substitutes can be highly corrosive, if you shoot it...even once....you MUST clean it!!!!! A boresnake in the appropriate caliber make cleaning muzzleloaders a breeze.
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I leave the load in for 3 or 4 days, and I also leave the muzzle loader outside in a dry place in the environment so it will not condensate. I don't worry to much about corrosive affects of the powder since I use Smokeless powder.
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Nevermind- absolutely nothing usefull to add.
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Ok I've got a pretty good understanding on how this "inline" thing works....as I figured. So if the muzzle loader isn't an "inline" model then what is it? What other way is there in putting the powder and ball in other than inline?
In a traditional muzzleloader, you have a little priming charge at the top of the breech, then you main powder charge, wadding, then a lead ball, and the final wadding. The way the charge is set off depends on whether it's flintlock or percussion cap. The flintlock or cap is NOT inline, does not have a breech plug, and does not use a sealed primer.

Moving to a modern inline, a #209 shotgun primer is used to set everything off, and most people use pyrodex pellets (no measuring needed) and a saboted slug inside a rifled barrel. These first hit the market in the mid 80's. They use a closed breech and a sealed primer. Picture a firing pin, primer, pyrodex, then bullet. All in a line.

Those are the two extremes. Some inlines will even take smokeless powder. which makes everything far easier to clean. The Savage I mentioned earlier even has a removable breech plug, which makes for far easier cleaning. If you look at the savage, you'll see it looks far more like single shot bolt action rifle than a traditional muzzleloader, but with the ram giving it away.

Hope that clarifies it. If not, maybe a quick trip to Savage's web site will illustrate better if you can see a picture.
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Flintlock - curved hammer comes back and holds a piece of flint. Upon release, the hammer swings down in an arc, brushing the flint against a strip of metal (the frizzen) creating a spark to ignite the powder in the priming charge.
For a caplock, the hammer has no flint - it's just a hammer, but it strikes a percussion cap mounted on the nipple. The ignition of the percussion cap sends a flame down teh nipple to ignite the main charge.
Matchlocks are similar. In all of these, the thing setting everything off is not inline.

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