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Old 07-02-2013, 05:57 PM
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Default Why are cars so efficient in Europe??

Or more appropriately, WTF is up with our model here.

I just rented a E220 Mercedes wagon in Great Britain for a week. Yeah, the 2.2 deisel isn't a rocketship, but I really enjoyed driving it around and it was pretty quick considering the small displacement.

What amazed me was the mpg I got!
A lot of in-town driving, stop and go and maybe 20% highway.



Why can't we import these efficient vehicles?! Hell, why can't we MAKE them??
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The quick answer is that their Governments don't require as strict emissions requirements as we do. If we took a lot of the government crap off our vehicles we would see the same fuel economy.
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Small engines. We had a visitor from Denmark earlier this year, I picked him up from the airport in my F250 with a 6.0 diesel engine. He remarked about the truck and motor and told me most cars in Europe have a 1.0 liter engine.
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smaller cars and engines. And I think they arent as harsh on safety standards. Yea a lot of cars had great safety ratings but they arent required like they are over here. Plus they have a lot of diesels with manual trans in cars over there. People over here had mandated that the goverment mandate to car makers that cars have dual front, seat/side airbags, knee bags, roller over protection, ABS, stability control, side/rear/front/roller over rating minimums, back up cameras, tire pressure monitors. It all comes at a cost of weight and price.
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Originally Posted by PXMAN View Post
Small engines. We had a visitor from Denmark earlier this year, I picked him up from the airport in my F250 with a 6.0 diesel engine. He remarked about the truck and motor and told me most cars in Europe have a 1.0 liter engine.
Same story here friend, neighbor from South Africa cant believe my Tundra has a 5.7 litre he says in SA cars, trucks had A 2 litre or less.
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Isn't 1 gal of gas in the UK larger then in the US?
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Originally Posted by Mars5L View Post
smaller cars and engines. And I think they arent as harsh on safety standards. Yea a lot of cars had great safety ratings but they arent required like they are over here. Plus they have a lot of diesels with manual trans in cars over there. People over here had mandated that the goverment mandate to car makers that cars have dual front, seat/side airbags, knee bags, roller over protection, ABS, stability control, side/rear/front/roller over rating minimums, back up cameras, tire pressure monitors. It all comes at a cost of weight and price.

There is a new offset shear crash test requirement coming which literally peels a portion of the vehicle open head on testing.

This standard when mandated will require more reinforcement and weight and guess what else will be less.
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Because you were driving a DEVIL CAR!!!!! The temptation.
666 miles on the odo. YIKES
The power of Christ compels you...the power of Christ compels you........
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Emissions are different.
Safety requirements different.
Front and rear impact for bumpers are different
Crumple zones are different.
weight is the biggest reason.

The American buyer has much higher expectations of performance than the Euro driver thus smaller engines.
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Originally Posted by Ray Zor View Post
Because you were driving a DEVIL CAR!!!!! The temptation.
666 miles on the odo. YIKES
The power of Christ compels you...the power of Christ compels you........

I knew I should have driven around the block!! :rofl

For the record, this was a full sized wagon, just like our domestic E350 and E550 wagons. Only difference is the 2.2 Diesel engine.


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Originally Posted by 08087 View Post
Isn't 1 gal of gas in the UK larger then in the US?
No, a gallon is a gallon. The use gallons, mph and mpg. Exception is at the pump where it's sold by the litre. ;?
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1 UK/ Imperial gallon is 0.8326738 of a US gallon


I have the full size E550 US market car, holds 22 gallons, average 16 mpg city and 23.79999 mpg hwy

I would still gather a guess that it still cost more to fill up that little wagon than it would your Suburban/Excursion....

I had rented a BMW 5 car in Denmark about a month ago, got phenominal mileage but was still $200 USD to fill up...
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Here's a good write up on the car.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/...es-e220-cdi-se

Got to say, I'd buy one if it were available here.
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the US Gov does not what gas efficient cars because they are loosing money. they are taxing auto manufactures for having fuel efficient cars. About .50 of every gallon is tax (guessing) think about it cars used to get around 20 MPG more fill ups more gallons of gas now cars are becoming more efficient 40+ MPG the Gov gets ALOT less money making them cranky
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You can buy a VW Diesel here in the USA and it gets about 45mpg.
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Originally Posted by Mardi-Gras View Post
1 UK/ Imperial gallon is 0.8326738 of a US gallon


I have the full size E550 US market car, holds 22 gallons, average 16 mpg city and 23.79999 mpg hwy

I would still gather a guess that it still cost more to fill up that little wagon than it would your Suburban/Excursion....

I had rented a BMW 5 car in Denmark about a month ago, got phenominal mileage but was still $200 USD to fill up...
So in reality he only got ~33 mpg in US gallons.
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I had a buddy who owned a diesel Chevette and I think he got like 100 mpg going up hill. Its all about the motor.
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The US auto designers have been building the wrong vehicles for 10-20 years..it's ALL about profit margin..the American buyer is more concerned with "how do I look in it" than economy....we run 85 mph up and down the interstate and then complain about the fuel mileage.....

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