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Old 07-02-2013, 10:27 AM
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Watching my local news I am disturbed by many of my fellow statesmen. NC is trying to pass a law making people show a photo ID to vote. People are protesting and marching in the capital. They are being locked up by the hundreds. What is so unjust about proving you are who you say you are and casting your vote for elections? As it stands now, I can memorize any name and address in the phone book and vote for that person if I beat them to the polls. During early voting I don't even need a voter registration card. Why not have a check and ballance that would hopefully limit 1 vote to 1 person? Who doesn't have a photo ID? You need one to drive a car, buy alchohol, buy tobacco, get in a rated R movie, but not to vote. Protestors are claiming it's going to desciminate against poor people and somehow it's racist. Do the poor and minorities not drink, smoke, go to places where ID is required or drive cars? This is rediculous!
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Been to DMV lately?
Old 07-02-2013, 10:32 AM
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My Mom just retired as the head of the county public schools scruel lunch program. When family's applied for free and reduced meals, she asked for proof that the families qualified for free and reduced meals. She was told by a government auditor that she was being descriminatory by asking for proof of income (or lack thereof).

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Originally Posted by Blythe1022 View Post
Protestors are claiming it's going to discriminate against poor people and somehow it's racist. Do the poor and minorities not drink, smoke, go to places where ID is required or drive cars? This is ridiculous!


Lots of poor people in Kenya too.

WH Touts Kenyan Program to Obtain National ID Cards for Voter Registration



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Old 07-02-2013, 10:35 AM
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I haven't heard a good reason not to require an ID to vote either, the whole idea that its discriminating or racist is stupid....this will end up in the bilge
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I can't see why you don't need a phot ID to vote. You need for everything else. Hell, I think you should have to pass some type of apptitude test as well.

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Originally Posted by Coonass View Post
I can't see why you don't need a phot ID to vote. You need for everything else. Hell, I think you should have to pass some type of apptitude test as well.

Who is the current Vice-President of the U.S?
How many states are there in the United States of America?
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]Who is the govenor of your state?
What is today's date?
Name 1 of the 3 branches of Federal Goverment.


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Our current Pres got one of your questions wrong
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Originally Posted by Knoxes View Post
Been to DMV lately?
This was a flippant answer. Sorry about that. A more appropriate question would have been why would/should there be *any* requirement for a citizen to cast a legal ballot? We should be making it easier for people to vote, not making it even the slightest bit more difficult or costly for anybody. While the legislature has offered another option (free id if you prove financial hardship), this law is essentially a tax to cast a ballot.
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I haven't heard a good reason not to require an ID to vote either, the whole idea that its discriminating or racist is stupid....this will end up in the bilge
I'm going to try and say this in a way which won't get bilged.

Even though all types of people belong to both political parties, requiring voter ID would impact one party far more than the other. Since this is a political football, the logic of properly identifying voters, or the tactics to ensure that those without ID can get a free voter id, has nothing to do with it.

So for the party that would be helped by voter id, they will scream "it cuts down on voter fraud!" and those who would be hurt by it will scream "this is unfair to those who cannot afford a driver's license or bus fare to get to a voter id registration booth!" when in reality, both sides could not care less about fraud (at today's levels) or helping the poor. Both sides care about the issue because it will influence future elections.
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I agree, the easiest way to police it is to show a photo I.D. - But I think there needs to a a photo I.D. or in the alternative ( insert requirement here ). Not sure what that requirement could be, but I think with a little thought it could be resolved.

About six months ago my Great Aunt died. She chose not to vote in the last election, although she had strong views on who should be elected. She as 95 years old, had not driven a car in almost twenty years and legitimately didn't have a photo I.D. = right, wrong, or indifferent, she was annoyed that she had to get one of us to drive her to the DMV ( which for the record we all volunteered to do ) and spend the afternoon in line to get a photo I.D., to vote in a county / precinct that she had voted in without an I.D. for close to forty years. In a county where quite literally most of the residents over the age of 50 knew her personally. Not saying she was right, just saying there are a large group of elderly voters in her situation. And some sort of I.D. or Alternative could be workable.

I think a workable I.D. law is necessary. At the same time I think the playing around with voting hours and locations to target voting groups for political advantage is Un-American. I personally think we have enough people and budgets available to make voting a two day national holiday - no hassles around getting off work to vote etc. - open the polls for 48 straight hours of national voting holiday.

Opinions will vary until this gets bilged.
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Originally Posted by jobowker View Post
I'm going to try and say this in a way which won't get bilged.

Even though all types of people belong to both political parties, requiring voter ID would impact one party far more than the other. Since this is a political football, the logic of properly identifying voters, or the tactics to ensure that those without ID can get a free voter id, has nothing to do with it.

So for the party that would be helped by voter id, they will scream "it cuts down on voter fraud!" and those who would be hurt by it will scream "this is unfair to those who cannot afford a driver's license or bus fare to get to a voter id registration booth!" when in reality, both sides could not care less about fraud (at today's levels) or helping the poor. Both sides care about the issue because it will influence future elections.
Very Much True.
Which is why I think we need to come up with a safe system that takes political advantage out of the picture.
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Originally Posted by Knoxes View Post
This was a flippant answer. Sorry about that. A more appropriate question would have been why would/should there be *any* requirement for a citizen to cast a legal ballot? We should be making it easier for people to vote, not making it even the slightest bit more difficult or costly for anybody. While the legislature has offered another option (free id if you prove financial hardship), this law is essentially a tax to cast a ballot.
How do you tell if they are a citizen???
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I agree, the easiest way to police it is to show a photo I.D. - But I think there needs to a a photo I.D. or in the alternative ( insert requirement here ). Not sure what that requirement could be, but I think with a little thought it could be resolved.

About six months ago my Great Aunt died. She chose not to vote in the last election, although she had strong views on who should be elected. She as 95 years old, had not driven a car in almost twenty years and legitimately didn't have a photo I.D. = right, wrong, or indifferent, she was annoyed that she had to get one of us to drive her to the DMV ( which for the record we all volunteered to do ) and spend the afternoon in line to get a photo I.D., to vote in a county / precinct that she had voted in without an I.D. for close to forty years. In a county where quite literally most of the residents over the age of 50 knew her personally. Not saying she was right, just saying there are a large group of elderly voters in her situation. And some sort of I.D. or Alternative could be workable.

I think a workable I.D. law is necessary. At the same time I think the playing around with voting hours and locations to target voting groups for political advantage is Un-American. I personally think we have enough people and budgets available to make voting a two day national holiday - no hassles around getting off work to vote etc. - open the polls for 48 straight hours of national voting holiday.

Opinions will vary until this gets bilged.
Bingo!
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How do you tell if they are a citizen???
How do you tell who is not? I have voted for thirty years and no one has asked about my citizenship.
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The ONLY reason NOT to show ID....Voter fraud. That's the only real reason. They win close elections by stacking the illegal vote. It's simple.
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How do you tell who is not? I have voted for thirty years and no one has asked about my citizenship.
Yes, they did (if you live in NC). In fact, you signed attesting that you are 'Design59".
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How do you tell who is not? I have voted for thirty years and no one has asked about my citizenship.
Exactly!
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Not sure what the people against it have to hide.
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I doubt it would have stop people like the woman in OH who voted 6x in the last election (she actually was one of the election supervisors) voting should take some effort, not a lot but some..
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Originally Posted by Knoxes View Post
This was a flippant answer. Sorry about that. A more appropriate question would have been why would/should there be *any* requirement for a citizen to cast a legal ballot? We should be making it easier for people to vote, not making it even the slightest bit more difficult or costly for anybody. While the legislature has offered another option (free id if you prove financial hardship), this law is essentially a tax to cast a ballot.
You have got to be kidding! There is nothing wrong with showing ID to cast a vote and cutting down the amount of voter fraud. We all show ID to buy beer, drive a car, have a medical prescription filled etc., etc.

Personally I think we should make it more difficult for people to vote. We should start by doing away with the early voting. You shouldn't be able to vote if you don't "have some skin in the game". We have too many people voting for wages instead of working for wages. If you don't pay some level of income tax, you aren't able to cast a vote.

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