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Not that rare..................I left some dark matter in the toilet this morning!

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They say dark matter makes up most of the universe yet they can,t locate any?

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Not that rare..................I left some dark matter in the toilet this morning!

Dark matter is running America.

obviously... these 2 observations are related

Dark matter is running America.

obviously... these 2 observations are related

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So I been reading about dark matter and dark energy for a few years. Forgive me for being skeptical but they came up with this theory to make their math for the rate of expansion of the universe work????

So if your math doesn't work, you just invent something that represents the number you need and plug it into your equations? uhhhhhh, Ok.

So if your math doesn't work, you just invent something that represents the number you need and plug it into your equations? uhhhhhh, Ok.

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Dark matter is ruining America

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So if your math doesn't work, you just invent something that represents the number you need and plug it into your equations? uhhhhhh, Ok.

the reason the math doesn't work is that the universe is both expanding AND accelerating...that should not be the case base on our current understanding of matter, energy and the laws of nature. the existence of an un-observable "dark matter" has been posited as a way to explain this phenomena; ie: "make the math work"

its not that they are backing into a pre-determined outcome, its that the outcome we can observe doesn't make any sense

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that's one way of looking at it

the reason the math doesn't work is that the universe is both expanding AND accelerating...that should not be the case base on our current understanding of matter, energy and the laws of nature. the existence of an un-observable "dark matter" has been posited as a way to explain this phenomena; ie: "make the math work"

its not that they are backing into a pre-determined outcome, its that the outcome we can observe doesn't make any sense

the reason the math doesn't work is that the universe is both expanding AND accelerating...that should not be the case base on our current understanding of matter, energy and the laws of nature. the existence of an un-observable "dark matter" has been posited as a way to explain this phenomena; ie: "make the math work"

its not that they are backing into a pre-determined outcome, its that the outcome we can observe doesn't make any sense

Yes, I understand all that - just have a problem with the "science".

A. You know from observation what the "answer" needs to be.

B. You come up with a mathmatical equation to explain the observations in "A".

C. Your equation doesn't work. So you invent invisible matter and energy to "plug" into your equation so that is does work.

D. Then you go off on a wild goose chase trying to prove that the invisible matter you invented to plug into your eqaution exists.

Seems oddly reminiscent of the "science" behind global warming theory.

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This is a transcript but the conversation is tapped and podcast available on the same web-site

http://www.onbeing.org/program/our-o...1#main_content

http://www.onbeing.org/program/our-o...1#main_content

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Yes, I understand all that - just have a problem with the "science".

A. You know from observation what the "answer" needs to be.

B. You come up with a mathmatical equation to explain the observations in "A".

C. Your equation doesn't work. So you invent invisible matter and energy to "plug" into your equation so that is does work.

A. You know from observation what the "answer" needs to be.

B. You come up with a mathmatical equation to explain the observations in "A".

C. Your equation doesn't work. So you invent invisible matter and energy to "plug" into your equation so that is does work.

A. we can observe that the universe is expanding and accelerating...it is what it is

B. we don't have the math to explain "A"...in fact, the math we have does not allow for "A"

C. "dark matter" is a placeholder in the equation until we can figure it out

there are no pre-determined conclusions about what that place holder is, or what it's nature and relationship to the known universe is...it is an unknown and will stay that way until we figure it out, whatever "it" is

in the meantime, it makes the math work (the same math that has been proven correct in every other facet of the observable universe)

nome sane?

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this may be semantics, but...

A. we can observe that the universe is expanding and accelerating...it is what it is

B. we don't have the math to explain "A"...in fact, the math we have does not allow for "A"

C. "dark matter" is a placeholder in the equation until we can figure it out

there are no pre-determined conclusions about what that place holder is, or what it's nature and relationship to the known universe is...it is an unknown and will stay that way until we figure it out, whatever "it" is

in the meantime, it makes the math work (the same math that has been proven correct in every other facet of the observable universe)

nome sane?

A. we can observe that the universe is expanding and accelerating...it is what it is

B. we don't have the math to explain "A"...in fact, the math we have does not allow for "A"

C. "dark matter" is a placeholder in the equation until we can figure it out

there are no pre-determined conclusions about what that place holder is, or what it's nature and relationship to the known universe is...it is an unknown and will stay that way until we figure it out, whatever "it" is

in the meantime, it makes the math work (the same math that has been proven correct in every other facet of the observable universe)

nome sane?

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A. we can observe that the universe is expanding and accelerating...it is what it is

B. we don't have the math to explain "A"...in fact, the math we have does not allow for "A"

C. "dark matter" is a placeholder in the equation until we can figure it out

there are no pre-determined conclusions about what that place holder is, or what it's nature and relationship to the known universe is...it is an unknown and will stay that way until we figure it out, whatever "it" is

in the meantime, it makes the math work (the same math that has been proven correct in every other facet of the observable universe)

nome sane?

They have defined the "properties" of dark matter and that is what they are searching for.

Is anyone even questioning the math rather than trying to explain the discrepancy with "The Force"?

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plenty of smart people are questioning the math

which of newtons laws do you feel is in error?

which of newtons laws do you feel is in error?

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Does it have to be Newton? Einstein predicted that those rules wouldn't apply at or near the speed of light and his predictions were PROVED by observation. Why do Newton's laws have to apply on a universal scale? In a universe that we know so little about?

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This is how science works. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you stop looking for an answer. Scientists theorized that some elements in the periodic table existed before we had isloated them. They had even gone as far as guessing (incredibly accurately) What their atomic weights would be. Low and behold as time when on these elements were isloated and discovered. In science, you look for solutions to unknowns.

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that is correct

the question is...why do they not apply?

if what we currently believe is true (the big bang), then the expansion of the universe should be slowing down. it's not...it's speeding up

why?

this is just part of the process of discovery

i don't understand why investing in finding the answers is bothering you

the question is...why do they not apply?

if what we currently believe is true (the big bang), then the expansion of the universe should be slowing down. it's not...it's speeding up

why?

this is just part of the process of discovery

i don't understand why investing in finding the answers is bothering you

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^^^

Good question

Good question

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