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Old 04-10-2013, 02:18 PM
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So, I’m reading about this alleged compromise on the gun control legislation and the compromise will apparently require what – at least in my experience – is already being done: Back ground checks at gun shows and on internet purchases.

Every time I’ve bought a gun at a gun show from an exhibitor, I’ve had to go through the background check and paperwork. Same thing for the internet purchases I’ve made. I buy it online; it goes to an FFL who then ships it directly to my FFL, who does the full blown background check and paperwork.

The “compromise” will not affect private transactions. It will also have no enhanced record keeping requirements (ie, no gun registration)

I’m baffled. (I’m even more baffled that the NRA is opposing this, if it is in fact being reported correctly.)

Who cares? ;?
Old 04-10-2013, 02:21 PM
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It makes liberals feel good though.


More laws for criminals to break and gubment to not inforce.

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Old 04-10-2013, 02:30 PM
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They always mention Gun Show Loophole... and agreed I have bought maybe 10 guns at gun shows all with background checks in FL...even with CCL. The only way to avoid is private sales.
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A prime example of how hollow and devoid of substance most legislation is. There's gotta some pork in there somewhere and now all the ass hats can grandstand and say "look at me, look what we did".

1) Hype / create crisis or issue
2) Legislate on above hyped issue
3) Include in said legislation some tax or other vehicle to funnel money to the government
4) Pat self on back and claim political prowess and civil concern.
5) Do nothing to really address crisis or issue because there really wasn't a problem for the clowns to address to begin with.
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Originally Posted by camnbo View Post
A prime example of how hollow and devoid of substance most legislation is. There's gotta some pork in there somewhere and now all the ass hats can grandstand and say "look at me, look what we did".

1) Hype / create crisis or issue
2) Legislate on above hyped issue
3) Include in said legislation some tax or other vehicle to funnel money to the government
4) Pat self on back and claim political prowess and civil concern.
5) Do nothing to really address crisis or issue because there really wasn't a problem for the clowns to address to begin with.
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Originally Posted by A Few Dollars View Post
It makes liberals feel good though.
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Originally Posted by creekman View Post
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Maybe, but why the hell is the NRA opposing it? That's just nuts.

It's kind of like stopping someone negotiating against themselves, just so you can get a word in.

It's stupid. All of it. All the way around. Just stupid.
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From my experience, if the booth at a gunshow is operated by a dealer, then they run the background check. if the booth is being run by an individual, then there is no check. Also you can buy a gun from anyone walking around a gun show (basically a private transaction) without a background check.

There is no process to ensure that everyone buying at a gun show has a clean background.

I'm not in favor of any gun registrations, but I do not mind the background check process.

maybe a better solution is to make everyone who enters a gun show pass some form of check (or anyone walking out of a gun show w/ a new gun that they didn't enter with).

either way it won't work. Criminals will still buy guns from people w/o checks. Unless there is some system to process individual private transactions that actually works, the entire process will be a waste of effort that the criminals will not use.

it will just make the lives of the legal buyers more difficult (and add more cost).
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Wow, this will surely make criminals' lives MUCH harder!
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Originally Posted by Just1more View Post
Wow, this will surely make criminals' lives MUCH harder!
Yep, this one oughta really work.

BTW, can somebody show me where a background check would have prevented ANY of the shootings?
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Yep, this one oughta really work.


Everyone knows we are just one law away from a perfect society.

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Originally Posted by cobraowner View Post
There is no process to ensure that everyone buying at a gun show has a clean background.

I'm not in favor of any gun registrations, but I do not mind the background check process.

maybe a better solution is to make everyone who enters a gun show pass some form of check (or anyone walking out of a gun show w/ a new gun that they didn't enter with).


it will just make the lives of the legal buyers more difficult (and add more cost).
ALL of this debate and legislation will have NO EFFECT on bad guys buying guns, knives, fertilizer, acid, etc.

Bad guys buy it off the grid.

ALL of this debate is nothing more or less than politicizing an emotional issue for the purposes of:
a. endearing politicians to a group of people, and
b. increasing bureaucracy and taxation.
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I think the reason that the NRA opposes background checks is they are trying to make the point that if we cant have all mentally disturbed people entered into a database because of privacy laws then what good is the database. The same applies to criminals or others who have had their records sealed by courts...I'd guess that they dont make the database either. I get that; but I also get why the average person feels that the NRA's opposition is unreasonable because on the surface it appears that way. The devil is in the details.
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Originally Posted by yammi250 View Post
I think the reason that the NRA opposes background checks is they are trying to make the point that if we cant have all mentally disturbed people entered into a database because of privacy laws then what good is the database. The same applies to criminals or others who have had their records sealed by courts...I'd guess that they dont make the database either. I get that; but I also get why the average person feels that the NRA's opposition is unreasonable because on the surface it appears that way. The devil is in the details.
I'm one of those people who think that the NRA's position is silly -- and I'm a member and a certified instructor. I appreciate all they do, and they're the only ones that do it, but as with most things in life they lose credbility with extreme positions and opposing everything for the sake of opposing it. You may have missed it in my post, but there is no database. Felony and domestic violence convictions -- which are the disqualifying events -- are not sealable, although I'm not clear on how that enters this debate.

I just think the NRA loses credbility with some of these ridiculous positions. And, in the end, all it does is enable gun-control fanatics who have weak arguments, but who make a great show of pounding on the NRA instead of the on the merits. The NRA enables that.
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BTW, can somebody show me where a background check would have prevented ANY of the shootings?
Go to time out. You know liberals hate it when you throw factual information into a discussion.
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Once again, Crooks don't buy guns from gun shows, private sales or anyplace they might be tracked. A true criminal will buy his gun off the street where it is MUCH CHEAPER and there is MUCH LESS chance of a camera seeing him or a seller catching a license plate or someone asking for his ID. The news wants people to believe that a gun show is full of evil people but that is not so. In fact if you want to talk to an ATF agent there are usually more of them at a gun show than any other place (in plain clothes). I am an NRA member and I think the reason they oppose it is because this is not a solution to the actual problem, which is preventing another Newtown incident and I agree 100 percent as a 25 year street cop..
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The devil is in the details.

So you want to buy a gun.............5 years ago during a really bad time in your life a doctor prescribed anti depressants for you. Since we now have nationalized health care your medical records will be in a database. (don't kid yourself that they are not)
This pops up during the background check and you are denied due to being a mental case. You are off the meds for 4 years now but that won't make any difference.

Just think it through. Any background check from here on out is going to screen for this kind of stuff. Who gets to define what constitutes a person with mental problems and what interest do they have in your 2nd Amendment rights?
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Originally Posted by yammi250 View Post
I think the reason that the NRA opposes background checks is they are trying to make the point that if we cant have all mentally disturbed people entered into a database because of privacy laws then what good is the database. The same applies to criminals or others who have had their records sealed by courts...I'd guess that they dont make the database either. I get that; but I also get why the average person feels that the NRA's opposition is unreasonable because on the surface it appears that way. The devil is in the details.

Exactly.
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This thread reminds me of a recent conversation with the wife. She asked "Why do all these background checks when people want to buy a gun? If someone wants to own a gun, why not do a background check once for them and give them a firearm owner photo ID card? If they do something wrong, take away the ID card." I told her that sounded a lot like the concealed firearms license in our (shall-issue) state. She had a good point, as that would lower demand on the NICS system- once and done.

I also told her it would do nothing to stop criminals from buying guns on the street or stealing them.
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I have a firearms ID card issued by the state after a background check and a peek up my arse. When I go to a gun shop I must present the ID card to handle any gun. I need ti to buy a long gun. I still have to go thru the NICS process. I have to apply for a permit to buy a pistol. Takes about 8 weeks for that to happen, if approved.
Now my buddy moved to a southern state. He and his wife went to a gun shop and walked out with 2 pistols 30 mnutes later. There doesn't seem to be any equity between processes from state to state. Also as I understand it, a gun shop can not refuse to sell you a gun if you pass the NICS. Even though you are obviously unstable and acting strange. I think they should be able to deny a sale to anyone exhibiting starnge behavior.

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