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Old 12-15-2012, 08:03 PM
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My father gave me some older guns that he had for years. Need some help in regards to getting them fixed up/appraised

First one is an old Mossberg 22. It is the first gun that I ever fired and that was back in 1976. at that time I believe he had it for years. It is a bolt action with 2 magazines (one is held in a compartment on the butt) The issue is the sites. It has peep sights and notch sights, but the notch sites appear to be missing a part and because of that it blocks the site picture on the peep site. the peep sights rotate out of the way. Additionally I think it is missing from the front site. The stock is nicely finished wood, but there are some gouges/scratches. Am I better of fixing or leaving original. I would love for my ten year old to be able to use this at the range like I did at 10 years old.

Another is a 30.06 bolt action. On the bolt it looks like it says "Erstal" (or similar) and then something else and then under that "1917" I did not see any other identifying marks on it then I noticed on the hard rubber piece on the butt stock, it says "Abercrombie & Fitch - New York, NY" Gun is in ok shape, with a checkered wooden stock that appears to just be dirty. barrel looks good except for one spot of surface corrosion on the top. It appears that there is no magazine, Could just be a single shot and then place another bullet in after ejecting the fired one?

last is a gun that he told me he has no idea where it came from. He thinks it once belonged to one of my brother's friend's. My brother was a commercial fisherman for some time and this gun looks like it has been in the salty marine environment for some time. Barrel is very rusty, as is the bolt action. It looks like a bolt action shotgun. I have never seen a bolt action shot gun before. Looks just like the 30.06 but the barrel is much thicker and appears to have a choke on it. I know very little about shotguns. This gun is probably too far gone to be worth anything.

Any tips on getting them fixed up, cleaned up, and any idea what the 30.06 might be worth?

I will try to post pics tomorrow if that will help.

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I have never seen a bolt action shot gun before. Looks just like the 30.06 but the barrel is much thicker and appears to have a choke on it.

My 1st shotgun was a bolt action Mossberg 20 Ga w/ an adjustable choke.
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Originally Posted by GhostShip View Post
I have never seen a bolt action shot gun before. Looks just like the 30.06 but the barrel is much thicker and appears to have a choke on it.

My 1st shotgun was a bolt action Mossberg 20 Ga w/ an adjustable choke.

Same here. My first shotgun was given to me by my Pops. It was also his first shotgun.
It is actually a Sears and Roebuck 12 gauge bolt action.
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The 30-06 may be a Belgian FN Herstal.
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Yes, pictures needed. On many firearms, the model number is stamped on the barrel near the receiver.

First thing to do is run a cleaning patch down the barrels and see what comes out. If the patch is shredded by rust in the barrel, the firearm is worth very little. Same if you can't push a patch down the barrel. Don't shoot them until you 've done this.

Unless the Mossberg .22 is a rare collectors model (highly doubtful), you won't change the value by refinishing the stock. Once we identify the model, you can look for replacement parts at Numrich- they have parts for many old firearms:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

Many photos of Mossberg .22 rifles:
http://home.epix.net/~damguy/models.htm

If the rifle is a Belgian Herstal, probably a Mauser style action, might be a very nice rifle:
http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...temnum=8057475

Bolt-action shotguns are not very popular, but certainly were made. I inherited an old .410 bolt action- can't hit anything with it.

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Could be Erfurt 1917 mauser converted to 30-06.

Mossberg did make some bolt action shotguns, probably what it is.
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That .22 rifle appears to be a Mossberg Model 42M.
Model 42M bolt action repeater.

22 lr,l,s, 7-shot detachable box magazine. 23" barrel. Weight 6.75 lbs. Two-piece Mannlicher type stock with cheekpiece and pistol grip, swivels. No. S106 ramp front sight, No. S102 rear sight, No. 4 receiver sight. Made 1940-1944.

Go to the site I provided, above, for access to more information. Mossberg made .22 target rifles for the US Military and the 42M has a nice target peep sight- that could be a nice target piece.

The bolt on the 30-06 appears to be corroded- kinda hard to tell with the lighting. If the bolt is corroded, better check the barrel for rust. If that rifle was used to shoot corrosive-primer surplus ammo and not cleaned properly, the barrel could be ruined.

That shotgun is worth no effort at all. If it works, find someone who hunts saltwater and throws away his gun at the end of each season.
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her are some photos. not the best for detail

Shotgun This gun is toast

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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
That .22 rifle appears to be a Mossberg Model 42M.
Model 42M bolt action repeater.

22 lr,l,s, 7-shot detachable box magazine. 23" barrel. Weight 6.75 lbs. Two-piece Mannlicher type stock with cheekpiece and pistol grip, swivels. No. S106 ramp front sight, No. S102 rear sight, No. 4 receiver sight. Made 1940-1944.

Go to the site I provided, above, for access to more information. Mossberg made .22 target rifles for the US Military and the 42M has a nice target peep sight- that could be a nice target piece.

The bolt on the 30-06 appears to be corroded- kinda hard to tell with the lighting. If the bolt is corroded, better check the barrel for rust. If that rifle was used to shoot corrosive-primer surplus ammo and not cleaned properly, the barrel could be ruined.

That shotgun is worth no effort at all. If it works, find someone who hunts saltwater and throws away his gun at the end of each season.
Thanks! I will try to get better pics when the wife gets home with the good camera

I am definitely going to look into parts for the .22 I learned how to shoot with that gun. I love target shooting .22 I was captain of my high school riflery team - 3 position match shooting The school had a beautiful Anschutz target rifle I use to use. would love to find one of those, but everyone I come across is several thousands of dollars.

30.06 the bolt has very minor superficial pitting but no rust. I will certainly go over it with a fine tooth comb before/if I ever shoot it
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Posts on this thread keep getting deleted......what's going on...?????
Maybe it's because those posts are off-topic.
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