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Old 09-17-2012, 08:32 AM
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thinking about selling my AR for an AK...
not sure what it is but i just don't like shooting the AR; it's loud, doesn't fit me well and my eyesight kinda sucks anyway so the MOA or whatever doesn't really drive the train for me. also, the 5.56/223 round doesnt seem to be much of a hunting round

i just like to shoot

anyway, i saw this this morning
gunsamerica generally does a decent job with reviews, and this one caught my eye

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/unde...a-pap-century/

if any of you AK guys could weigh in i'd appreciate it
that's ($750- 800) about what i'm comfortable spending
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:03 AM
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what about one of these? http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...fle&groupid=11
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For what you are will to spend, buy two cheap Romanian AKs and have twice the fun
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:11 AM
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according to the review, the PAP has a longer stock, better trigger, better furniture, better safety than most AK's out there, plus it's all brand-new parts
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I'm not sure I would ever want to spend that much on an AK, but it does look like a nice piece. I would never try and mount a scope on the dust cover like the article shows. I tried that several years ago, and it was terrible. The dust cover has lots of slop, and the gun shot all over the place. It's definitely more accurate with iron sights.

I agree that the AK is a great gun. Not sure why it doesn't get more love. I've had a couple nice AR's, and currently have a M&P-15 in 300 blackout that is pretty tricked out. But I still pick-up the AK all the time to shoot. It never jams, and is surprisingly accurate. Plus ammo is cheap.

I'll also add that you can't hardly kill an AK. A while back we were shooting, and ended up shooting around 500 rounds through the AK. The barrel and gas assemble were so hot that it was smoldering the forward wood grip. When we were cleaning up the gun was too hot to go inside on my gun rack, so I left it outside leaning against my shooting table to cool for a while. Well I forgot all about the gun, and it started pouring that night and all the next day. The gun was rained on for almost 24hrs before I remembered. I took the gun down, and oiled the piss out of it. The only damage was some light surface rust "spotting" on the side of the receiver.

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The AK and AR are two different animals... The AK is for 75 to maybe yards out and an AR works good out to 200 and beyond..... The AR's accuracy makes up for a lot. I dont think I could spend 800 bucks on an upgraded AK over a lower end AR.... just my opinion....
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Originally Posted by JayLeto View Post
I'm not sure I would ever want to spend that much on an AK, but it does look like a nice piece. I would never try and mount a scope on the dust cover like the article shows. I tried that several years ago, and it was terrible. The dust cover has lots of slop, and the gun shot all over the place. It's definitely more accurate with iron sights.

I agree that the AK is a great gun. Not sure why it doesn't get more love. I've had a couple nice AR's, and currently have a M&P-15 in 300 blackout that is pretty tricked out. But I still pick-up the AK all the time to shoot. It never jams, and is surprisingly accurate. Plus ammo is cheap.

I'll also add that you can't hardly kill an AK. A while back we were shooting, and ended up shooting around 500 rounds through the AK. The barrel and gas assemble were so hot that it was smoldering the forward wood grip. When we were cleaning up the gun was too hot to go inside on my gun rack, so I left it outside leaning against my shooting table to cool for a while. Well I forgot all about the gun, and it started pouring that night and all the next day. The gun was rained on for almost 24hrs before I remembered. I took the gun down, and oiled the piss out of it. The only damage was some light surface rust "spotting" on the side of the receiver.

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thanks jay!

i have $800+ in the AR, if I can get that back i'd have no problem turning it in to an AK. plus the durablility appeals to me, as i do most of my rifle shooting at the camp (sand, salt spray, rain, etc)

iron sights is all i would want...short range target shooting and an occasional pig/zombie/chupacabra
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I'm a fan of the AK's - but the cheap as shit ones...

I'm kind of the opposite - the AR is my go-to gun. When I bought it I knew that I wanted a Barbie doll gun... just play dress up and go. I ended up with a M&P15. Over the couse of a couple years it dressed up nicely. Trijicon TA31RCO, YHM Dimaond full length FF quad rail, Geiselle trigger, MAgpul ACS stock, grip pod, single point sling, MBUS flip ups... you get the idea.

I have a bit more than 8K rounds through it now without a hiccup. The thing hates polymer coated steel - but that's fine.

The AK is just a fun gun that I wouldn't hesitate to take anywhere - but for accuracy - the AR is the one.
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The AK and AR are two different animals... The AK is for 75 to maybe yards out and an AR works good out to 200 and beyond..... The AR's accuracy makes up for a lot. I dont think I could spend 800 bucks on an upgraded AK over a lower end AR.... just my opinion....
That's due to the chambering (7.62 x 39). Spend some time the AK-101, which is chambered for 5.56 NATO, and you might change your mind regarding the AK's accuracy...at least out to 200 meters (not yards).
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
I dont think I could spend 800 bucks on an upgraded AK over a lower end AR.... just my opinion....
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Why not buy a 7.62 upper? Then you'll have both.

The AK is for 75 to maybe yards out
Have you heard of the Dragunov?

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Old 09-17-2012, 01:05 PM
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Check out the Bravo18 ak's. I believe they are a fairly new company, but they appear to have a very bad ass product. It is some serious range candy for sure. Not so sure they are going to fit a $800 price range though, but worth looking and wanting anyway.
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Originally Posted by A Few Dollars View Post
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Why not buy a 7.62 upper? Then you'll have both.



Have you heard of the Dragunov?
Sure the russian sniper rifle shotting a 7.62x54 (or something like that) that is a whole different animal than a civilian AK built with sloppy tolerences, course that is why is can tolerate all the dirt and still fire.....
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I have Romanian AK at is very accurate at 100 yards and shooting deer there is more bullet weight that the AR.
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Chris , just get another upper, use the the platform as it's to be used . Heck man get the .50 , .308, .22 or a few more.
I love my M4 it's a nail driver.
And of course it depends on what bullet yer chunken , FMJ, JHP, HP, tracer, AP then there is bullet weight . I like the green tipped stuff for punching bone .

What stock do you have on your black gun?
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I'm also in the "buy two $400 AKs" camp. Or, buy one and put a military-style scope on it. My Romanian SAR-1 AK with Kalinka Optics POSP scope is a joy to shoot, scope has lighted reticle and a 400 meter rangefinder.

The article you provided doesn't address trigger slap, something for which AKs are notorious.That's the most annoying (and painful) thing I found with my Romanian AK. A new/improved trigger group solved the problem. I wouldn't buy an $800 AK without knowing the answer.
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Sure the russian sniper rifle shotting a 7.62x54 (or something like that) that is a whole different animal than a civilian AK built with sloppy tolerences, course that is why is can tolerate all the dirt and still fire.....
Yep. 7.62x54R in the Dragunov is a .308/.30-06 class round, while 7.62x39 is comparable to .30-30.
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I was talking more about the gun action than bullet.

My sons first deer rifle (and another plinker for me) is a Ruger M77 in 7.62 x 39.

Even he can shoot 2" groups at 100 yards with cheap Russian surplus ammo.
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i hear what y'all are saying on the AR...
i just think i'd shoot the AK more given where i would be using it

in my case i have an M&P15/22 which i shoot all the time, and an IMI uzi which i shoot all the time, both are tons of fun for target shooting and the like, and cheap to shoot. the AR is just too damn loud and isn't as comfortable for me (YMMV). it also doesn't seem like much of a multi-tasker (for my purposes), since i already have two guns that i like for target shooting

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