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Old 08-24-2012, 03:54 AM
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Default Armstrong Facing Loss of 7 Tour De France Titles

Do you believe he is clean and honest or doping and dishonest?

His accomplishments are a hell of a thing to lose as well as sponsors and most of all, his honor.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...6#.UDdbfaPsadk

"Never one to back away from a fight, Lance Armstrong is finally giving in and the cost of quitting is steep: His seven Tour de France titles could be gone as soon as Friday."......




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Old 08-24-2012, 04:39 AM
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I haven't really followed this closely.

Is there any real evidence of Lance's doping beyond statements by other bikers who are already convicted of doping?

I'd like a third choice- Not Guilty- because I haven't heard any evidence that proves guilt.

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Old 08-24-2012, 04:44 AM
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Why wasn't he found guilty while racing. He was tested more than any rider at the time, if I recall correctly.
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I would like to believe he is innocent, btt my gut tells me otherwise. Regardless of how this turns out the relentless anti-doping witch hunt has taken its' toll on his legacy.
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Guilty. I've been saying it for years - I followed cycling since the early 90's, road raced, raced BMX and Mountain...

Every rider on the tour is taking something. Each and every one of them. All of the major physical numbers like hormone levels, blood counts... all of those numbers used to decline during the tour as the riders got worn down. Now they all stay pretty much flat. They know exactly how much to take and when to take it.

The difference between Lance and some of the old school riders - he wasn't taking speed, coke, amphetamines, horse steroids...

Everyone he beat was busted, just about everyone of his ex teamates that went on to win was busted, every record he broke was set by someone doping, every benchmark he set was previously held by a doper.

And if you listen to Lance - he always said "I've never tested positive".

BTW, I am probably one of his biggest fans for a number of reasons - and always will be.
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My gut tells me he is guilty as sin, and was just exceptionally good at cheating. That said, I feel like there should be some hard evidence before they can strip him of his titles.
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Originally Posted by fields View Post
Why wasn't he found guilty while racing. He was tested more than any rider at the time, if I recall correctly.
It's not just during the season - its the off season. They will dope to aid in training, faster recovery, larger gains... they are not testest as often if at all in the offseason.

During the offseason, Lance hung around with two of the biggest doping Doctors in the sport. One specialized in blood transfusions, the other in blood doping.

Remember, during the tour, riders are tested against baseline numbers. If those numbers are high from doping to begin with & his tests come in near those numbers- they have no way to tell if he was cheating.
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He Doped....they all doped. It's hard to watch inferior cyclists blow by you on the mountain stages, high on dope. He knew that he was the best out there and he knew that he could not compete unless he juiced. The high and mighty pencil pushers must be real proud of themselves today, torn down another icon. I'll bet that none of them ever got off their fat asses and competed. He's the best ever juice or no juice.
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Not sure how the feds couldnt get a conviction but somehow the doping agency can. Either way, as was said, its my belief he was on something. But, so was everyone he beat. What are they going to do, take away his titles and give them to the second place guy that doped also? Way to go USADA. They obviously have it out for him. How friggin long can someone fight these allegations? Its got to be expensive. I think thats why he just gave up. He's been battling these issues for 10 yrs or better. Can any of you imagine having to do that?
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Originally Posted by sac56fire View Post
He Doped....they all doped. It's hard to watch inferior cyclists blow by you on the mountain stages, high on dope. He knew that he was the best out there and he knew that he could not compete unless he juiced. The high and mighty pencil pushers must be real proud of themselves today, torn down another icon. I'll bet that none of them ever got off their fat asses and competed. He's the best ever juice or no juice.
And thats the key statment. He is the best ever, and he competed against the best of the best - and beat them. He beat the best climbers in the world, he beat the best time trialists in the world, he beat the best sprinters, he set the fastest times up the biggest climbs, the fastest TT times - and his tours were the fastest tours in history.
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Bottom line, he never once tested positive, but he ends up being convicted on absolutely zero evidence, but a boat load of unsubstantiated rumor..........now that's a really fine justice system for you....!!!!
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Lance didn't create that environment but had to compete in it. If there were rules to pass the doping tests and he passed them, then he was in the pre-determined limits. He didn't set those limits either.

He won. End of story.
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Not sure how the feds couldnt get a conviction but somehow the doping agency can. Either way, as was said, its my belief he was on something. But, so was everyone he beat. What are they going to do, take away his titles and give them to the second place guy that doped also? Way to go USADA. They obviously have it out for him. How friggin long can someone fight these allegations? Its got to be expensive. I think thats why he just gave up. He's been battling these issues for 10 yrs or better. Can any of you imagine having to do that?
Some of his titles will go to the 3rd or 4th place finishers... Jan Ullrich is banned and had many of his victories removed, as did many others.

Joseba Beloki stands to get 3 victories from this. I know he has on 2nd place, one 3rd (behind Ullrich).
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As hard as he fought cancer I find it hard to believe he wouldn't be fighting the doping charges just as hard. Guilty.
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Where is Congress when you need them?

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Losing those titles is nothing compared to the nuts he already lost.
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I have not followed this in detail. It looks bad that so many guys close to him say he did it, however I am leaning towards innocent in that the governing body should be able to present test results that would be specific to a pass/fail - quantitative test to me is the best gauge.
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Can we get rid of those stupid Live Strong bracelets now?

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As I heard it on the radio this morning, he called off the dogs at the very last minute before they were going to publically release all of the evidence that they had. Sounds like releasing that stuff would be worse for him than just letting them take away the records without actually admitting guilt.

Seems like a plea bargain type situation to me.
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Don't Care!

Sounds like a huge waste of resources to me.

I'd rather follow "who's Jeter's present hottie"!
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