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Old 07-17-2012, 09:27 PM
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We're getting ready for a contractor to start on the refurb of our screened porch and are thinking about putting in a patio at the bottom of the stairway from the porch.

What I'm thinking is about 12'x12', nothing real elaborate, and something easily maintained.

Our HOA regs say " ... stamped or poured concrete, patio pavers or brick. Cinder block and asphalt patios are prohibited." I also assume slate or similar will be fine.

I'm not really sold on "all concrete" or "stamped concrete", as I don't want to take the chance of cracking down the road - we'll be in this house for a LONG time.

I'm also thinking about a 24"-30" high "wall" of some sort, along the 12' side closest to the house - something to have there for setting drinks/plates/stereo/etc. on top of. We'll also end up getting some furniture for that area in the Fall or Spring.

SO - what do YOU have that sounds/looks similar? Ideas?

I'd like to keep this project around $2,000 or so, certainly UNDER $3,000 - is that realistic? I plan to have a CONTRACTOR do it, too - my wife would not let me do this as a DIY!

Thank you for your pics and comments!

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Old 07-17-2012, 10:05 PM
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Concrete costs roughly $90 a cubic yard when ordered in a 10 yard truck. If you order less than a truck there are usually delivery fees.

Normal patio's are poured 4" think with footers and 6" without footers but that can also depend on your local codes.

Concrete is probably one of the better materials to build out of if you would like it to last a long time. If done properly I doubt you will need to worry with cracks.

12x12 (2.67 yards) is about large enough for some furniture and 4 people. If you make a 12x12 next year you wish you had made a 12x24 (5.4 yards of concrete).

Stamping concrete can get expensive. But if done by the right person it can look as good as tile natural stone or anything else you can imagine. I would forgo the stamping if it meant I could have a larger patio area and you can always stain it. Since you are further up north than me, I would consider putting a fire pit in it. That would be great for those fall days...
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Go with pave-stone or whatever you can find at your local garden center. Goes in fairly easy and you won't have to pay a contractor to install it. The people who sell it also put it in. They dig down 4-6", put a gravel/portland cement base, put two inches of sand, and then apply the stone. It can be done plain jane with square and rectangle blocks or you can change it up and have them design a pattern for it. They then sweep in a sand/portland cement mix to lock all of the blocks in. Looks great forever and will not crack like concrete. You can also build your retaining wall out of em with no worries.
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I am a local contractor in your area and your in the right ball park. Your looking at about 2.5 yds of concrete, which may end up being about $300 since theres a 3 yd minimum. Install labor would be about $200 to $300, maybe more depending on whether or not it has to be wheelbarrowed. Form and prep labor, hard to say without seeing job, but probably somewhere in the $250 range unless you were to request a stone base. Add in a litlle profit, maybe $400. Your at about $1200 for the pad itself with a broom finish. If you stamp it, the labor runs anywhere from about $5 to $7.50 a sqft, so that would about $900 and there are some other material cost associated with stamping as well such as the dye and release agent. Stamping would just about double the regular concrete cost. As for the wall, hard to say. If it were me, I'd put stamped concrete down. It just looks great and last forever.
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I just had a 13x9 area next to our pool pump done with pavers (including a 2 13' steps down from the pool deck) for about $2,500.00 Looks great, extremely solid and no issues with cracking to deal with in the future. The biggest thing I don't like about stamped concrete is that they often have to cut in joints to prevent cracking which to me completely wrecks the illusion that it's a real stone patio.
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I am a local contractor in your area and your in the right ball park. Your looking at about 2.5 yds of concrete, which may end up being about $300 since theres a 3 yd minimum. Install labor would be about $200 to $300, maybe more depending on whether or not it has to be wheelbarrowed. Form and prep labor, hard to say without seeing job, but probably somewhere in the $250 range unless you were to request a stone base. Add in a litlle profit, maybe $400. Your at about $1200 for the pad itself with a broom finish. If you stamp it, the labor runs anywhere from about $5 to $7.50 a sqft, so that would about $900 and there are some other material cost associated with stamping as well such as the dye and release agent. Stamping would just about double the regular concrete cost. As for the wall, hard to say. If it were me, I'd put stamped concrete down. It just looks great and last forever.
There you go !

Personally I would spend a bit extra to get a good extra deep and solid packed material base . And if you have any extra and can keep in your price range maybe a bit longer in one dimension....
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Pavers!
Easy to repair if you ever have a problem. No cracks. Last forever.

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Please buy flagpoles and rod racks...my wife sis going to the nursery....AGAIN!!!!
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Now that is a great looking yard. Nice job. If you do go concrete I second the stamping. We did some 25 years ago in Wisconsin and it is still holding up. I did notice in the last few years that the top layer is starting to spald a bit, but the people that own it now had never done any type of maintenance. We used a colored tinted concrete then stamped.
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Pavers!
Easy to repair if you ever have a problem. No cracks. Last forever.

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Please buy flagpoles and rod racks...my wife sis going to the nursery....AGAIN!!!!
WOW That looks not only beautiful but exotic - I can't imagine all the work that went into that....I'm sweating just htinking about it.
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Nice job Mr. Demeanor
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Closest thing we have to a patio area off the deck - they are green fuzzy pavers

It would look as good as Mr. Demeanor's if it wasn't raining and so gloomy here right now ...

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Mr D - So that's what those flag poles I bought pay for!!! J/K.
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With the pavers, proper installation is critical. They must be laid onto a base of compacted gravel (at least 6") and a minimum of sand (no more than 1") should be used as the leveling material. There are also very nice polymer sand products that can be used to seal the grout lines that will hold up to frost and weeds better than cement/sand mix, but the stuff is pricey.

We bought a house with pavers used for a patio, walkways, and a car parking area. The install of those pavers was piss poor with no gravel as a base. The pavers have settled so they are uneven and there is a huge problem with weeds growing between the bricks since the grout lines were not sealed properly. (We knew all of this going into the purchase and I have been working on fixing the problems...)
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A little trick that might save time:

When setting the finished top of the patio, look around and see if you can simply add base material to existing soil level.

Don't assume you have to dig out soil to build. Sometimes just stripping sod and building base from there will work. Then feather in with fresh topsoil. Also consider drainage.

Personally, I'm partial to real, fired-clay paving bricks. (Color never fades).

Belden Brick comes to mind.
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My patio off my screened in porch runs the width of the house and is about 10 to 12 ft deep. It has a wall/bench that is bracket shaped that runs along the side opposite the house. It acts as a small retaining wall as well as seating for as many as 20 or so people. It's great for parties. The concrete as there when I bought the house. The slab was 4+ inches thick and had no cracks from settling. I recently faced the pad and bench with flagstone and it looks great. I will see if I can find a picture.

I didn't do it but many add fire pits or outdoor kitchen areas on their patio. I like the idea but I just didn't want to spend that much more money.
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Not a pretty as the above but this is the patio we built. We used full sized bricks since we built it on sand.

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I went concrete w/brick inlay mainly to match the house. Future plans are gabled covering supported by matching fluted columns. The stair railings are finished now

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Not the greatest pic, but here is my paver patio. 3 inches gravel, 3 inches concrete screed (sp??) Put in 3 years ago by my wife and I.
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