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Old 07-17-2012, 02:28 PM
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A guy I used to work with went on disability 4 years ago. About 2 years ago he moved into a trailer court and the owners of the place gave him a form to fill out. The form asked for the names and license plate numbers of any regular visitors, he has a son and daughter that stay with him regularly and each kid had to fill out a form with all of their personal information including their SS numbers!

He doesn't drive and I help him out regularly by picking up scripts, food, etc. I have 4 vehicles at home and may take any one of them I feel like. Yesterday I took my Camaro to drop off some milk to him and he got a call from the trailer park manager wanting to know who I was because my license plate wasn't listed on his visitor form. They want to know my name and the license plate numbers of all of the vehicles that I drive since I visit him regularly...WTF??

If he doesn't fill out the information they ask for he is fined $25 per day until he gives them what they want. Is this even legal stuff to ask? I told him there is no way they should be able to demand his kids SS numbers. I have no intention of giving them the license plate numbers on my vehicles either.

Have you ever heard of anything like this? Any lawyers on the forum know what information he legally has to give the trailer court owners?

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Old 07-17-2012, 02:35 PM
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Is this like a retirement lifestyle trailer park ?
I can see a perceieved need (helping to protect the residents) for the vehicle info.
But the SS numbers are out of line since there is no way to know who is driving the "cleared" vehicles anyways.
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I know for a fact it is illegal. My cousin who is doing time in the local correctional facility for killing praying mantis has a cell mate that was collecting that same information .....
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If the park wants your license plate numbers, maybe they could write them down each time you drive in.

Giving them the license numbers and your name isn't so bad, if they are trying to keep the facility secure. SS#, no way.

For all you know, when your friend signed papers to live in the park, he may have signed an agreement to provide such information on his regular visitors.
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Is he renting - either a ground lease and or mobile home?

If so, it sounds like the landlord wants his kids (who will also be livening with him from time-to-time) to fill-out an application so they can be added to the lease as residents. Applications ask for personal information such as SS#'s so the Landlord can run a background/criminal checks on an applicant. This is a typical practice in the residential rental industry and it's just as much for their good as it is your friend and other residents. The landlord should have disclosed all of this when making the request.

As for the fine for failing to register, that is NOT typical nor do I think it's legal -- perhaps he's just trying to scare him into providing the requested data. However, he might have a bigger problem, if it turns out his failure to register the other occupants turns out to be a violation of his lease. If neither requirement is mentioned in his lease or covenants, tell him to tell the guy to pound sand.
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In many states, a business, landlord, property manager, etc. can ask for a social security number if it will serve a legitimate purpose. I don't see a legitimate purpose here. Also, you are under no obligation to give the requestor such information. If they ask for your number, you are within your rights to ask for what purpose they need it and what safeguards they have put into place to ensure that your ss number and other private info is not given out to others by mistake. If you want more info, call the Attorney General's office in your state and ask them your question.
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They may ask for a SS#, but hell will freeze over before I surrendered that info to a friggin' trailer park.

There is VERY specific legislation about privacy protection, and SS#'s are an integral part of that privacy.
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I know for a fact it is illegal. My cousin who is doing time in the local correctional facility for killing praying mantis has a cell mate that was collecting that same information .....
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Well... in typical Gort absolutely useless troll fashion...

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Didn't miss ya one iota, Gort. Please go crawl back under your bridge.
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The majority of the residents are over 65 years old but there are also some young families in the park. He owns the trailer but pays lot rent every month. He doesn't drive and has no car so whenever anyone is in his driveway someone notices. The park manager said there was to many people that would stop at his trailer for short periods of time and then leave. They thought that was unusual behavior. I rarely stay for more than 10 minutes since I am usually dropping something off.

He doesn't remember signing anything that said he had to provide this information. He has no other place to go and the park has a 3 strike rule. He already has one strike for playing his guitar on his patio in the middle of the day. I guess his neighbors didn't think he was very good because they called the park manager. He just does whatever they ask for fear of getting kicked out of the park.

I don't even see how it can be legal to demand someone's name and license plate number, especially since I don't live there. I could either go to the office and tell them I am not giving them anything, or just ignore them.
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The majority of the residents are over 65 years old but there are also some young families in the park. He owns the trailer but pays lot rent every month. He doesn't drive and has no car so whenever anyone is in his driveway someone notices. The park manager said there was to many people that would stop at his trailer for short periods of time and then leave. They thought that was unusual behavior. I rarely stay for more than 10 minutes since I am usually dropping something off.

He doesn't remember signing anything that said he had to provide this information. He has no other place to go and the park has a 3 strike rule. He already has one strike for playing his guitar on his patio in the middle of the day. I guess his neighbors didn't think he was very good because they called the park manager. He just does whatever they ask for fear of getting kicked out of the park.

I don't even see how it can be legal to demand someone's name and license plate number, especially since I don't live there. I could either go to the office and tell them I am not giving them anything, or just ignore them.
If he has a ground lease then you should take a look at that document first and before you march into the office on his behalf refusing anything -- it should all be outlined in the lease. If your friend is like most people he probably didn't read it when he signed it.

BTW, how old are the kids? If they are minors I see no reason why they should be required to fill out an application and provide this information.esp if he is their guardian. If they are adults and will be living there, then the community likely has a policy requiring they complete an application so they can be added to the lease -- Again this should all be outlined in the lease.
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They may ask for a SS#, but hell will freeze over before I surrendered that info to a friggin' trailer park.

There is VERY specific legislation about privacy protection, and SS#'s are an integral part of that privacy.
Not argueing with you at all but if it is a private trailer park don't they set their own rules? I don't agree with them but I think they can "ask" for anything. I could demand SS #'s for people who come to my house. If they don't want to give em up, then they don't come to my house. Not that I would do that. I usually ask for phone numbers and pics.
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To the OP you seem to really care about helping this guy. Maybe you could help him move. Rather than battle the D-bag that runs this park it may be less effort to help find a nicer place for him to live.
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He has a 14 year old son, and a 22 year old daughter that live w/ him part time.

I told him he should sell the trailer and move into an apartment but financially I don't know if he would be approved for an apartment. He has no credit and just his monthly disability check. His brother bought the trailer and he is paying his brother back monthly.

The people that own the park are known to be total a-holes, they are all rich and the whole family is involved in the trailer parks they own. My dad lived in the same park back in the 80's and when he died the park owner screwed me over so bad that I can't stand the site of him.

It sounds like the trailer park could legally ask him for this information, especially if he signed something. I never thought that the park may have had him sign a document that required this information. Even then would it still be legal for them to demand it?

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A renter has the same rights to privacy and guests as a property owner. "Fines" as such are generally illegal but a penalty fee or service charge might not be.

The down-side is that if the tenant does not comply with the owners demands their lease may not be renewed and/or their rent might go up significantly. This is sometimes referred to as a "pocket(book) eviction."
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A guy I used to work with went on disability 4 years ago. About 2 years ago he moved into a trailer court and the owners of the place gave him a form to fill out. The form asked for the names and license plate numbers of any regular visitors, he has a son and daughter that stay with him regularly and each kid had to fill out a form with all of their personal information including their SS numbers!

He doesn't drive and I help him out regularly by picking up scripts, food, etc. I have 4 vehicles at home and may take any one of them I feel like. Yesterday I took my Camaro to drop off some milk to him and he got a call from the trailer park manager wanting to know who I was because my license plate wasn't listed on his visitor form. They want to know my name and the license plate numbers of all of the vehicles that I drive since I visit him regularly...WTF??

If he doesn't fill out the information they ask for he is fined $25 per day until he gives them what they want. Is this even legal stuff to ask? I told him there is no way they should be able to demand his kids SS numbers. I have no intention of giving them the license plate numbers on my vehicles either.

Have you ever heard of anything like this? Any lawyers on the forum know what information he legally has to give the trailer court owners?

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It's illegal in NH and could be in your state. Many states adopted privacy legislation after some actress in "My Sister Sam" was killed because someone located her using her tag numbers.

I've never seen the show and have no idea who she is but I had to take "privacy training" for the State of NH before I could write DMV software.
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Russ, I concur with your recommondation. -- If they are requiring a 14 yo minor to fill out an application and provide SS info then I would refuse. Consider any apartment complex will likely require his adult daughter to fill out an application to live at their community. If they live on the property, they will also ask for tag numbers for the lease file. From the sounds of it though, it seems like a shady operation. If you are hearing about this 2nd hand, perhaps you should speak with the property manager about the request to see if you can get more info -- don't be surprised if they don't give you the time of the day since you are not a resident though.

What state/city does he live, there are tax credit (affordiable) apartment communities that have income caps and lower qualifying standards?
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make one up, I've read that can happen especially if you were born out of the country but went to college in the US...
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Russ, I concur with your recommondation. -- If they are requiring a 14 yo minor to fill out an application and provide SS info then I would refuse. Consider any apartment complex will likely require his adult daughter to fill out an application to live at their community. If they live on the property, they will also ask for tag numbers for the lease file. From the sounds of it though, it seems like a shady operation. If you are hearing about this 2nd hand, perhaps you should speak with the property manager about the request to see if you can get more info -- don't be surprised if they don't give you the time of the day since you are not a resident though.

What state/city does he live, there are tax credit (affordiable) apartment communities that have income caps and lower qualifying standards?
He lives near Toledo, OH. He is supposed to have someone from the disability office help him find an apartment. I hope they can help him find something so he can tell the trailer park a-holes to drop dead.
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