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Old 07-17-2012, 05:58 AM
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I just don't understand how the deputies can claim they have no responsibility. The deputies go in the middle of the night to arrest a murder suspect, only thing is, they go to the wrong address, knock on the door in the middle of the night, don't announce they are the police and then when the occupant of the house answers the door with a gun, they shoot him and say "if you point a gun at a deputy you will die". WTF?? How can they say it is the occupants fault for answering the door with a gun in the middle of the night when they don't announce they are the police?


http://news.yahoo.com/video/deputies...163819466.html
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:50 AM
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This is getting very scary. How many people do you know that don't/wouldn't answer the door in the middle of the night with a gun? For me, only the people that don't own a gun. Why did the police not pull a few cars off traffic duty and surround the house and have flashing lights everywhere? I guess it's easy to say now but it makes sense. They know whoever on the other side of the door was in a dark house, most likely asleep, now scared and maybe a little confused.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:38 AM
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Did you all catch that last part about if you point a gun at a leo, your going to get shot.. Like the rest of the world has to sit there and hope a robber or subject that is doing the same feels nice that day without you pulling time for returning fire when you felt your life was in danger.
Something to , no one really knows if the guy pointed a gun or not but the cops. And the dead guy ain't talking.

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Old 07-17-2012, 09:44 AM
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You know, i might have looked out a window to see who was there. i might even have had a gun. I guess I would have been shot too, because I would have looked like "someone in the home with a gun threatening the deputies".

I guess I should just be grateful it wasn't me.............
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:59 AM
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Did you all catch that last part about if you point a gun at a leo, your going to get shot..
I am trying to figure out if that was arrogance or ignorance. I guess he was just an arrogant dumbass. Now we aren't even safe in the privacy of our own home when we have done nothing illegal. Can you say "police state"?
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The increasing militarization of the police force along with way too many no knock warrants are turning this country into a scary place.

I realize cops are trying to do their jobs, and most do it well, but this isn't going to change until some cop knocks on the wrong door and the wrong door is the home of an off duty cop or a judge and the innocent person answering the door is killed. Once that happens, sabers will be rattled and memos will go out and processes will be reviewed but until that time, assume you dog will be shot and it will somehow be your fault.
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The increasing militarization of the police force along with way too many no knock warrants are turning this country into a scary place.

I realize cops are trying to do their jobs, and most do it well, but this isn't going to change until some cop knocks on the wrong door and the wrong door is the home of an off duty cop or a judge and the innocent person answering the door is killed. Once that happens, sabers will be rattled and memos will go out and processes will be reviewed but until that time, assume you dog will be shot and it will somehow be your fault.
My thoughts exactly. I wasn't there but what would have been wrong with simply covering all windows and doors and then announcing that they were LE? Am I missing something? Cracker, you here?
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jobowker View Post
The increasing militarization of the police force along with way too many no knock warrants are turning this country into a scary place.

I realize cops are trying to do their jobs, and most do it well, but this isn't going to change until some cop knocks on the wrong door and the wrong door is the home of an off duty cop or a judge and the innocent person answering the door is killed. Once that happens, sabers will be rattled and memos will go out and processes will be reviewed but until that time, assume you dog will be shot and it will somehow be your fault.
There was an incident in DC not too long ago where two off duty undercover cops got in a shootout outside a night club. One cop pulled a gun and the other one thought he was a bad guy and opened fire. One of them ended up dead.
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If someone knocks on your door (And especially if you live in a bad neighborhood) and you have enough fear for your life that you need a gun...
Then find out who is there before opening the door.

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Old 07-17-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
My thoughts exactly. I wasn't there but what would have been wrong with simply covering all windows and doors and then announcing that they were LE? Am I missing something? Cracker, you here?
This was my point. Surrounding the house, using the sirens and lights might wake up the neighbors but there will be no mistake like this made. I would want the neighbors woken up and watching. Given the recent circumstances I think I would dial 911 and hide my dog if I knew it was the cops at my door. I would ask dispatch why the police were at this address. I would also ask dispatch to radio the officers and ask them to holster their weapons before I come out slowly with my hands up.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:19 AM
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I can't view the clip but I don't answer my door in the daytime without asking who's there first and I don't open it until I'm satisfied with the answer.

That said, how a cop can shoot a person whenthey knock on the wrong door is unexplainable, they should be sued and hopefully for a bunch.
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my 2 doberman's, bull mastiff and golden always answer the door first. By the time I get to the door the person (s) are off the steps and in the driveway
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Originally Posted by grouperkng View Post
my 2 doberman's, bull mastiff and golden always answer the door first. By the time I get to the door the person (s) are off the steps and in the driveway
Unless they get shot for protecting the house at night.
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I wonder how it would have went if the cops just kicked the door in and the homeowner just started shooting and took out 2-3 of the cops.

My guess is he would be in jail right now. But it's OK for the cops to knock on the wrong door then kill a homeowner trying to protect his family.

Its getting out of hand, the police need policing. I know they have a job to do but the public's safety can NOT be compromised or the police are doing their job in vein.

What good is getting a murder suspect off the street if you kill innocent people in the process?
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Those apartments are just a few miles from my house. Not a terrible apartment complex but far from high end so I can't blame the guy for having his gun when he went to the door.
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My thought when I first read it was that I'm not answering the door late at night, period. But then I started thinking, what if it were one of my neighbors that was having an emergency and they needed us? What I don't understand is why the police didn't announce themselves? I can understand if they were serving a drug search warrant and didn't want them disposing of evidence, but this was a warrant for a person.
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Originally Posted by 08087 View Post
I can't view the clip but I don't answer my door in the daytime without asking who's there first and I don't open it until I'm satisfied with the answer.

That said, how a cop can shoot a person whenthey knock on the wrong door is unexplainable, they should be sued and hopefully for a bunch.


And criminal charges shouldn't be ruled out
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by runabout View Post
My thought when I first read it was that I'm not answering the door late at night, period. But then I started thinking, what if it were one of my neighbors that was having an emergency and they needed us? What I don't understand is why the police didn't announce themselves? I can understand if they were serving a drug search warrant and didn't want them disposing of evidence, but this was a warrant for a person.
unless your neighbors are deaf mutes it shouldnt be too hard to determine who they are and what they need before opening the door...

none of us was there and dont know how the door was answered by the resident...so the commentary is pretty lame regarding responsibility at this point....
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
If someone knocks on your door (And especially if you live in a bad neighborhood) and you have enough fear for your life that you need a gun...
Then find out who is there before opening the door.
well said

I answered the door too a sheriff at 3am with a gun in my hand , but I lived 2 miles from any other house way out in the sticks . He understood and I never pointed it at him . I just stuck it in my robe and proceeded out the door. He was stuck in the ditch
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:53 AM
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Where is Sharpton? What he isn't all over this innocent white male being killed in the middle of the night by this evil police department?

Who is going to put out an statement that if you bang on a citizens door in the middle of the night and you don't identify yourself, you are probably going to get a gun pointed at you.

I hope the arrogant asshole that made the statement at the end is released of his duties his has no regard for human life and could care less they just killed an innocent man.
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