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Old 07-16-2012, 07:12 PM
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Nice shooting pops

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Old 07-16-2012, 07:43 PM
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All's well that ends well, but do you really think he had safe shooting lanes? Anybody in the cafe had a better chance of getting shot by Pops, than by one of the robbers. The second robber was off screen in the bottom left corner of the screen. There were 4 customers directly between them when Pops fired the first shot. He had no way of knowing if #2 was armed, or not. And, what if they had just started emptying their weapon as they ran out. Nobody looks terribly worried until Pops started shooting. And did he shoot them in the back as they were fleeing?

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by glacierbaze View Post
All's well that ends well, but do you really think he had safe shooting lanes? Anybody in the cafe had a better chance of getting shot by Pops, than by one of the robbers. The second robber was off screen in the bottom left corner of the screen. There were 4 customers directly between them when Pops fired the first shot. He had no way of knowing if #2 was armed, or not. And, what if they had just started emptying their weapon as they ran out. Nobody looks terribly worried until Pops started shooting. And did he shoot them in the back as they were fleeing?
Are you serious?? I hope you would want this man to risk his life if your family was there!!! If everyone had a gun on their side like grandpa here this crap would never happen!
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No reason everyone in fl doesnt.... To bad the bad guys are still alive..
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Are you serious?? I hope you would want this man to risk his life if your family was there!!! If everyone had a gun on their side like grandpa here this crap would never happen!
Yes, I am serious. If Pops wants to risk his own life, fire away. He put about a dozen lives at risk, and was just lucky the guys ran instead of returning fire. I wouldn't want my family's lives in Pop's hands.
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As soon as those thugs walked in...everyone's life was in jeopardy.....speculation not allowed...good job Pops....
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As soon as those thugs walked in...everyone's life was in jeopardy.....speculation not allowed...good job Pops....
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Thats funny.... the guys are literaly tripping over each other to get out of the store!!!!! I would be more comfortable knowing Pops was an ex cop or military or experienced or somehting as glaicerbze points out - stuff could have gone more wrong - fortunately these kids either were not really shooters and the field of fire down range was pretty clear and hopefully and from the results - apparantly - gramps had the wherewithall to keep that in mind.
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He needed a .45. Then they drop in place.
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Originally Posted by glacierbaze View Post
Yes, I am serious. If Pops wants to risk his own life, fire away. He put about a dozen lives at risk, and was just lucky the guys ran instead of returning fire. I wouldn't want my family's lives in Pop's hands.
"Pops" could have waited to see if the thugs were going to start shooting patrons, which they threatened to do just by pointing a gun at people.. Instead, he seized the element of surprise when it presented itself and routed the thugs- amusing to watch them scramble and the video seemed to show he had clear shooting lanes.

I say "good for Pops". He hit his target and no one but criminals was hurt. His aggression was impressive.
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Hard to tel from the video but I will speculate and say Pops had a ruger LCP .380, definitely a small auto. No telling where he shot them but it goes back to what I have been saying a .380 is not much of a stopper but he was carrying a gun on him.

Second about his shooting lanes, there was only one lady really close and that was the one that was behind the counter. Pops closed the distance quickly and actually seemed to do a good job of staying on target with a little gun..

The one thing that should piss everyone off, 31K and 11K bond for ARMED ROBBERY is rediculious!!! It should be 100K minimum...

Also there is no telling that the bad guys were not going to shoot people, so pops may have saved lives..
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Pops got very lucky.

This is exactly why I don't want people to have CCPs around me, but unfortunately, how would I know. No telling when they may think it is OK to endanger my life by playing out a Charlie Bronson fantasy.
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Pops got very lucky.

This is exactly why I don't want people to have CCPs around me, but unfortunately, how would I know. No telling when they may think it is OK to endanger my life by playing out a Charlie Bronson fantasy.
So, you are saying you don't want lawful people to have weapons around you? You are just asking to be an easy target for someone that doesn't regard the law. I do not understand me mindset here. "Pops" isn't endangering anyone. The robbers are when they decided to rob the place. Are you one to think the robbers are the victims here?
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Come on those robbers were nice your boys, probably just out picking up some tea and some skittles for someone. Problem is they just needed a few bucks because they are poor and oppressed.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Dreamer View Post
Pops got very lucky.

This is exactly why I don't want people to have CCPs around me, but unfortunately, how would I know. No telling when they may think it is OK to endanger my life by playing out a Charlie Bronson fantasy.
Agreed 100%.

But - you've got to give him credit - the old guy's got some brass ones.

However, he ran through the middle of the shop waving his own gun around - all it would have taken is for one of those guys to turn around and start shooting at him. And despite shooting BOTH of them, it obviously did not stop them from running the hell out the door. What if they decided to stand their ground and open fire back at him? Everyone behind the old guy could have been collateral damage.

Not saying what he did was wrong - but I think that scene could have turned out very differently had the criminals ACTUALLY intended on shooting anybody, and had he not managed to hit both of them. What would the headline look like if the old guy missed, and the two criminals shot everything in sight?

Don't get me wrong, it's possible the old guy knew exactly what he was doing. It's possible he planned it all to take out the one with the gun and surprise them in such a fashion where he could basically push them right back out the front door. Or it's possible he has been carrying for 30 years and FINALLY got the chance to use it and jumped at it. (literally)
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when he gets done over there he needs to head over for a cleanup in the watermelon section at walmart

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looks like the obmama fambly shopping for a pick-a-nick
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So, you are saying you don't want lawful people to have weapons around you? You are just asking to be an easy target for someone that doesn't regard the law. I do not understand me mindset here. "Pops" isn't endangering anyone. The robbers are when they decided to rob the place. Are you one to think the robbers are the victims here?

Nice spin. You made several assumptions - (1) that the poster questioned the right of people to carry guns. He said he doesn't like to be around them. Neither do I. I don't think anybody here questions the right of anybody to lawfully carry a gun at anytime. (2)- That pops isn't endangering anyone. So much could have gone worng - the bad guy gets the old man first then gets pizzed tries to get rif of witnesses the old man misses totally and the same thing happens, the old man hits folks in back (hopefully he had a clear field of fire as I said in the last post). Also as Cracker says the bad guys appear to have the bigger gun. The bad guy could have taken one or 2 from the 380, got pissed turne daround and go the old man and folks in back of him. (3)- he considers the bad guys victims - where the h did you get that from?


I would guess I have probably fired more small weapons rounds at bad guys firing back at me than most anyone here. But I am no expert LEO and no real world civilian LEO experience and I would feel very uncomfortable firing at anyone that did not fire at me or someone nearby or directly endanger me personally first.

These guys demonstrated they were not really seasoned shooters or gangstas and had no balls (I still love them tripping on each other leaving ) that is the main reason this had such a good outcome.

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Agreed 100%.

But - you've got to give him credit - the old guy's got some brass ones.

However, he ran through the middle of the shop waving his own gun around - all it would have taken is for one of those guys to turn around and start shooting at him. And despite shooting BOTH of them, it obviously did not stop them from running the hell out the door. What if they decided to stand their ground and open fire back at him? Everyone behind the old guy could have been collateral damage.

Not saying what he did was wrong - but I think that scene could have turned out very differently had the criminals ACTUALLY intended on shooting anybody, and had he not managed to hit both of them. What would the headline look like if the old guy missed, and the two criminals shot everything in sight?

Don't get me wrong, it's possible the old guy knew exactly what he was doing. It's possible he planned it all to take out the one with the gun and surprise them in such a fashion where he could basically push them right back out the front door. Or it's possible he has been carrying for 30 years and FINALLY got the chance to use it and jumped at it. (literally)
I suspect you are 100% right here.
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"Pops" and Robbers - LOL

So the two schools of thought boil down to:

1. Citizens should let armed robbers terrorize them, steal what they want, and cross their fingers and hope the bad guys won't hurt them.

2. Citizens should take responsibility to protect themselves and each other.

Think about the direction our society will move in under each approach. Put me down for #2.
I don't think anyone here disagrees with #2. I don't think anyone here agrees with #1.

The 3rd "school of thought" is well both the above are correct - and guess what situations are not always black and white sometimes in real world situations misjudgements and mistakes happen and while we are protecting ourselves and each other things could go bad. These possibilities increase with inexperienced or overzealous citizens on patrol. That's all.

Pops and Robbers....I love it. I hope the local papers are clever enough to use this as a headline.
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Originally Posted by V13 View Post
"Pops" and Robbers - LOL

So the two schools of thought boil down to:

1. Citizens should let armed robbers terrorize them, steal what they want, and cross their fingers and hope the bad guys won't hurt them.

2. Citizens should take responsibility to protect themselves and each other.

Think about the direction our society will move in under each approach. Put me down for #2.
I think there is a fine line there, and I think it is self evolving.

In 2008, if someone stood up on your flight and announced that he was 'rerouting' it to a new destination - the passengers were expected to sit there calmly because the perceived outcome was no big deal.

In 2012, if you do that, you will be lucky to make it to the ground alive, because the perceived outcome took a dramatic turn for the worse.

If someone sticks a gun in my face and asks me for the $80 I have in my wallet, I am not going to risk the lives of 10 people sitting behind me in a cafe to "protect myself."
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