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Old 07-14-2012, 06:55 PM
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Although my 25 yr old Trane Heat pump is still going strong, me wife is pushing me to replace it since we are thinking of selling our house within a year -- we both realize it will become an issue at sale.

Replaced the indoor unit 5 yrs ago with a 2.5 ton 10 seer (matches the outdoor). 10 seer isn't available anymore, so talked to a guy who said he can replace the heat pump and the coils in the air handler with a Goodman 2.5 ton 13 seer and it comes with a 10 yr warranty. He said he can do the entire job for $2,300, which I thought to be a pretty good deal, so think I am going to get it done on Monday.

For all you HVAC guys, does that sound like a fair deal?
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Under the circumstances, sure.

If you were going to keep the house, I'd suggest replacing everything new, matched and higher SEER.
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Originally Posted by davedowneast View Post
Under the circumstances, sure.

If you were going to keep the house, I'd suggest replacing everything new, matched and higher SEER.
Yea I thought about that... Goodman is offering a lifetime warranty on a 14 seer unit, but naturally it's more $'s. If we were going to stay in the house I would definitely go the full replacement route, but since the ahu isn't that old and with a new more energy efficient heat pump (vs current hp) and matched coils all with a nice warranty it eliminates the issue at sale. Price seemed really good too.

Now we just have the roof to worry about...
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Sounds like a fair price
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How good are the Goodman units, compared to York, Trane, Carrier? I'm already looking into what's out there, for fall/early winter replacement of our 3.5t AC that was installed in 1996.
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I would say Goodman is at the bottom of that list
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My good friend is in the AC business. When I asked him a couple years ago about a Goodman heat pump he said he wouldn't sell his friend a Goodman.
He explained that reliability is fine but they are very very loud compared to other units.
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I have a 3 ton goodman heat pump, 16 seer if I'm not mistaken and the thing isn't loud at all. It is right outside of my window and I can't hear it running at night. Go with the goodman, don't waste money on a name.
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Goodman is a good unit these days. The bad rap they got was years ago like force outboards.
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Originally Posted by docters oarders View Post
Goodman is a good unit these days. The bad rap they got was years ago like force outboards.
Just had a Goodman put in my vacation place and this is what I was told by my trusted hvac guy; not the best but not nearly as bad as what they were. Apparently new(er) ownership has turned things around some.

Can't comment on the noise of the unit as it's up on the roof of condo building.

Here's my thread fyi http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...eat-pumps.html
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Originally Posted by YeahBuoy View Post
I would say Goodman is at the bottom of that list
x2 Go with something besides a builder grade unit.
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Originally Posted by docters oarders View Post
Goodman is a good unit these days. The bad rap they got was years ago like force outboards.
That is what my ac guy said. They are trying to prove that by offering a LIFETIME compressor warranty on their 14 SEER unit. I thought even a 10 yr warranty on a 13 was pretty damn good.
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Originally Posted by CaptWill View Post
How good are the Goodman units, compared to York, Trane, Carrier? I'm already looking into what's out there, for fall/early winter replacement of our 3.5t AC that was installed in 1996.
Worth considering esp w/lifetiime warranty on the 14 SEER (not sure if they are offering for higher SEER units not.

Do any othe manufacturers out there offer a lifetime compressor warranty?
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I assume seer is efficiency - if a 20 is 2 times more efficient that a 10 and so on - you can do some simple math knowing your cost per KW/hr and see how long it takes to pay for itself. Knowing the present value of your money you can get the most for your money.

But hey if you're selling and this is not a well known factor get the cheapest - then again if you think they will know its old they may also be looking for efficiencies and brand names an dsuch - maybe your local RE agent can help you on this - they are pretty good at advising as to what improvements add value to the house - lots of stuff on the internet too -

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20 seer will not pay for itself in 10 years.
goodman has its points good and bad
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Parts are easy to get most are already on the trucks that come out
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Noisier then other brands but your not waiting for a ecm fan motor in the summer for 3 days
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Wait did you say he was just going to replace the internal pieces of the trane system with goodman parts to make it a higher seer?

If I was selling in a year and everything works I would do nothing with it. You seldom will see the return on investment on something like that and it can be negotiated in the end if need be and more than likely you can split the cost with the buyer.

As for goodman I had one for 5-6 years in our first place, it was new and we never had a problem with it, that was from 2001-2006.

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Originally Posted by The_China_Doll View Post
Wait did you say he was just going to replace the internal pieces of the trane system with goodman parts to make it a higher seer?

If I was selling in a year and everything works I would do nothing with it. You seldom will see the return on investment on something like that and it can be negotiated in the end if need be and more than likely you can split the cost with the buyer.

As for goodman I had one for 5-6 years in our first place, it was new and we never had a problem with it, that was from 2001-2006.

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No, brand new Goodman heat pump. He is replacing the internal coils in the air handler unit with 13 seer so it's a matched system. The air handler was replaced 5 yrs ago, so it's still relatively new, no sense paying to replace the the ahu, so I just need to upgrade the coils. Effectively I will have a new system.
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My only concern with the above is will the system look "rigged" to your buyer? Perception is key when it comes to selling your home. If the indoor unit has one label on it and the outdoor unit another, you might raise some red flags with a buyer or inspector.
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Ok 10 year warr you know thats just for parts you would still have to pay for labor and freon. unless you buy 10year parts and labor warr witch i would recomend on any new ac system,I think goodmans a ok unit.
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Originally Posted by LI Sound Grunt View Post
I assume seer is efficiency - if a 20 is 2 times more efficient that a 10 and so on - you can do some simple math knowing your cost per KW/hr and see how long it takes to pay for itself. Knowing the present value of your money you can get the most for your money.
No, it's not that simple. Although a 20 SEER unit could actually save a little more than 50% over a 10 SEER unit under ideal conditions, you have to factor in many conditions, especially initial cost and maintenance.

The wholesale price for the fan motor on my fancy ass air handler was almost $500 3 yrs ago (Goodman gave it to me free even though it was out of warranty). A 13 SEER air handler's motor is under $100. It's been awhile since I did a 10 year study, there's a point of diminishing return.

Sometimes, comfort is the more compelling reason for the ultra high efficiency systems. I can design a system that makes less noise than your refrigerator, keeps every room very comfortable and has a very low operating cost.

Still, the most effective way to be energy efficient is in the construction of the home. Properly constructed homes would save way more than all the HVAC technology out there.
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