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Old 07-13-2012, 07:13 PM
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So my Father was in a hospital recently receiving a knee surgery (so far so good), and it was the nicest hospital he's ever been in and he's had countless knee surgeries. Not only are the amenities great, but the nurses and doctors swing in constantly.

He's spoken to them frequently about ObamaCare and they all said these types of facilities(Doctor run hospitals) are becoming less and less common and that they will eventually go away with OC.
I don't know the in's and out's, and I'm certainly not for OC, but I'd like to hear reactions about why these institutions are going away and if you all (y'all here in Texas) are seeing the same thing.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:24 PM
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http://www.physicianhospitals.org/re...s-04.22.10.pdf
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:29 PM
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That made me sick to my stomach.
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:16 AM
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I'm sure there will be lots more negatives found in this Obamanition.
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mrandell View Post
He's spoken to them frequently about ObamaCare and they all said these types of facilities(Doctor run hospitals) are becoming less and less common and that they will eventually go away with OC.
I don't know the in's and out's, and I'm certainly not for OC, but I'd like to hear reactions about why these institutions are going away and if you all (y'all here in Texas) are seeing the same thing.
Hate to break it to you but when they say "less and less common", means it has been going on for years, before OC, as you call it. Not just something recent. Find someone else to blame.

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Old 07-14-2012, 08:03 AM
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I have numerous relatives and friends in the healthcare industry (including my wife) and every single one of them will tell you that obamatax will destroy the quality of care. The ONLY BENEFICIARY is the government. My general practitioner just threw in the towel and he told me straight up that he was not going to let the bureaucracy run his practice.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:06 AM
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First, coming soon, medicare reimbursement percentage will be based on "satisfaction survey" results....talking million of bucks per hospital...there is a huge push to improve satisfaction with hospital stays, it has spawned a whole mini industry...."doctor run" hospitals or "doctor owned"?.....good care begins at the top with the CEO and the hospital board....
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Old 07-14-2012, 10:16 AM
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There are also laws like in CA where the hospital can not also own the Dr's practice so it's different state to state. Physician's selling their practices to hospitals have been going on for years. Only the few elective specialist are the ones staying independent. It's getting two expensive to run your own practice unless you are one of the few that can dictate to a hospital what they must provide you if you want them to practice there.
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Insurance companies will become partnered with large hospitals and employ doctors. No more private practice docs. After a few years of that most docs will be sick of being told what to do. Some will leave practice, some will become clock punchers... waiting for their day to end.

The worse part to me is the appointed board that will set all reimbursement for doctors, drugs, medical devices, and so on. That board will hold more power than the supreme court, and not be elected. Talk about a recipe for bribery/graft/kickbacks...
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Once you accept that OC has nothing to do with Health Care and is another Socialist vehicle aimed at income redistribution it becomes easier to understand.

Like private schools, people with means will abandon the public option and pay for private care in addition to supporting another government entitlement.

Also keep in mind Socialism is for the people, not for the Socialists. They are exempt from the regulations they create for the masses
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Once you accept that OC has nothing to do with Health Care and is another Socialist vehicle aimed at income redistribution it becomes easier to understand.

Like private schools, people with means will abandon the public option and pay for private care in addition to supporting another government entitlement.

Also keep in mind Socialism is for the people, not for the Socialists. They are exempt from the regulations they create for the masses
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Obamacare will outlaw private practice. I predict the REALLY good leading edge guys will simply leave the country and relocate to "state of the ar"t facilities where they can practice unencumbered by the whims of idiots.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:34 AM
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Obamacare will outlaw private practice. I predict the REALLY good leading edge guys will simply leave the country and relocate to "state of the ar"t facilities where they can practice unencumbered by the whims of idiots.
I think/ hope many of our finest doctors that moved south of the boarder for those greener pastures see the light and come back home to where it is safe to walk outside, for the children to play outside and go to school.

Personally I think your OC program will help our medical system greatly.
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Hate to break it to you but when they say "less and less common", means it has been going on for years, before OC, as you call it. Not just something recent. Find someone else to blame.

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Yes it was before obama care that this started but the reason is the same, the government limited physicians from owning interest in facilities, the "stark laws" set up a barrier to physician ownership limiting the interest that a physician can from a "self referral", being admitting a hospital they own and making money from mri, X-ray and other facilities.

Buried in obama care are more stipulations to these laws that are going to basically prohibit physician ownership of any facility. Which is beyond me how our elected officials can even bring themselves to state that they can't read the whole bill but they voted for it anyway. I just don't understand that, that is what they are paid to do.

The most frustrating issue here is that these a-holes up in washington are getting kickbacks, donations, special interest money, and PAC money (the average spent on each of the us senators in 6 million a year from lobbyists), and continue to enact laws to prohibit physicians from making a business, with no thought of their own corruption. Doctors aren't the problem, the government is. I agree with the above, there is going to be some huge changes that happen in the future, and I don't think people are going to be happy with them.
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