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Old 06-19-2012, 06:15 AM
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so... The plane isn't going to be any bigger.. And there will be just as many seats...

I have to wonder how far they'll recline!!


http://www.eturbonews.com/29758/airb...ese-passengers

Squeezing into a 'cattle class' airline seat is about to get a lot easier for the overweight traveller – but at the expense of more slimline passengers.

The growing girth of flyers has prompted aircraft manufacturer Airbus to design extra-wide seats for its popular A320 jets.

But it will shrink the size of ordinary economy-class seats so that each flight can still carry the same number of people.

Rather than have rows of three seats, each 18in wide, Airbus proposes making the aisle seat 20in wide and reducing the width of the two others by an inch each.

The new configuration would also allow airlines to impose an extra charge for the premium seats, with Airbus estimating that a £6.50 fee could generate an extra £2 million for each aircraft over 15 years.

That could help offset the extra fuel cost required to carry overweight passengers.

Airbus came up with the new design in response to requests from airlines who say travellers' expanding size has become a major headache.

Carriers say the most frequent complaint is from passengers forced to sit next to an overweight person who is encroaching into their space.

A recent survey found half of British flyers said overweight travellers should pay more for their ticket.

Budget airline Ryanair even mooted such a "fat tax", to cover the extra cost of transporting obese people.

Nicolas Tschechne, who conducts research at Airbus, said the rising weight of flyers was "quite dramatic".

'Passenger size has emerged as a core issue we need to deal with,' he said. 'And sitting next to obese passengers is the number one complaint.'

John Leahy, chief operating officer for customers at the French-based manufacturer, said: 'Airlines are improving their margins by charging for bags, window seats and food.

'But what most people really want is space and that’s what we can offer.'

Air transport campaigner Sean Curtis-Ward said he had 'no problem' with slimmer passengers having narrower seats.

Mr Curtis-Ward, a spokesman for the Air Travel Advisory Bureau, said: 'I suppose some customers would complain that they are having to sit in smaller seats.

'I personally would not have a problem with that, as it's better than sitting next a very fat person who comes into your own space.

'But this could be good news for customers overall as they should be charged less – perhaps as much as £100 on a long-haul flight – because they are sitting in smaller seats.

'Let's face it, airlines will charge more for anyone booking the bigger seats. If airlines do not charge others less, we would have an issue with that.'

It is believed that the first A320 with the super-sized seats will be bought by an American airline, as the country has the largest proportion of overweight people.

About 30 per cent of US adults are classed as obese, which for a 5ft 9in person means they weigh more than 14st 7lb.

Some American carriers, including Delta, have tried getting passengers to buy an extra seat if they are obese.

The issue became very public in 2009, when an image circulated on the internet of an overweight passenger on an American Airlines flight from San Francisco.

After the photograph was taken, showing the man spilling into the aisle, he was reportedly given a full row of seats, which he did not have to pay for, so the plane could safely take off.

In the UK, easyJet asks obese passengers to buy an adjacent seat at a discounted price – sometimes at 50 per cent – before they board the plane.

Those who refuse are not allowed to board.

Similarly, Virgin Atlantic says that passengers who are too large are asked to purchase an additional seat.

Ryanair has reportedly even told its cabin crew to keep slim to keep the aircraft’s weight down.

It has also reduced the size of its in-flight magazine, and serves passengers less ice in their drinks.

British Airways prefers not to discuss the problem, saying only that ground staff deal with the matter in a sensitive way.

Industry insiders say the issue is so delicate that cabin crew of any airline are careful not to use the "f-word" – fat – in earshot of passengers.
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An excellent example of the disjointed thinking of Euro business.

So, the ones who are complaining about encroachment will now have even less space in which to reside; and from my billion miles per year in aircraft, I can readily testify that there are more fat people on any given flight than there are aisle seats, no matter what model aircraft might be doing the carrying.

Large, non-fat/obese people will suffer the most; and there are more than a few. There is no reasonably accurate BMI in existence that accounts for bone size/density and framing.

Butt hay, wtf, let's just keep making flying more and more miserable for everyone. After all, they have very little choice, for if they did, they wouldn't settle for the lunacy that constitutes the majority of the world's commercial airlines.




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I can fit into a normal airline seat with no problems, but depending on how much the upcharge would be i would pay for some extra room. Especially on a long flight.
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The odds of having a large smelly person next to me seem to be directly proportional to the length of the flight.
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The big people will be offended when they are asked to purchase the larger seat. They will be firm on the idea that they can fit in a regular seat with no problem.

You see this on the road too. Huge person driving a Toyota Corolla. They need someone to shoulder the door from the outside to get it closed. Then 20% of their mass is spilled over the console into the passenger seat. Same thing in a plane. They can fit in a regular seat all right, but they spill over the next seat. But why should that bother anyone?
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I hear about this from my wife all the time (she flies at least twice a month). I never understood why they just can't make a row or two, with 2 seats, instead of 3. Charge 50% more for those seats, and have one of those racks like they use for carry ons to guage peoples size. "If you can't fit through this rack, you must purchase the larger seat".
I know it's not socially correct, but I think a person shouldn't have to have a fourth of a person in their seat with them.
And skinny people shouldn't be allowed to purchase those wider seats unless they're upgraded at departure time.
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Maybe these heavy folks should walk instead of fly.... then that would kill 2 birds with one stone.......
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Why don't people just stop turning into fat lards and everything will be ok. No other country has an obesity rate like USA. Even chinese people that move to america are turning fat because of our imitation and byproduct foods, supersized everything and fast (fake) food. Nothing makes me disgusted as seeing the fat smelly person order super size everything and a diet coke. Hey fat bitch the diet coke ain't gonna help, strap a bigmac 5 ft in front of you on a treadmill and chase it or go for a walk.
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Originally Posted by reeferog View Post
Why don't people just stop turning into fat lards and everything will be ok. No other country has an obesity rate like USA. Even chinese people that move to america are turning fat because of our imitation and byproduct foods, supersized everything and fast (fake) food. Nothing makes me disgusted as seeing the fat smelly person order super size everything and a diet coke. Hey fat bitch the diet coke ain't gonna help, strap a bigmac 5 ft in front of you on a treadmill and chase it or go for a walk.
I'm big boned, it is genetic, I have a thyroid problem, i don't really eat very much......Oprah said if I dont eat carbs....Dr. Oz said that I should eat nuts....

I work with tons of big women that are always on a diet, the one thing they all have in common is that they are full of crap, and eat tons of food..... I want to smack the doughnuts out of their hands when they are talking about their new diets....
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I'm big boned, it is genetic, I have a thyroid problem, i don't really eat very much......Oprah said if I dont eat carbs....Dr. Oz said that I should eat nuts....

I work with tons of big women that are always on a diet, the one thing they all have in common is that they are full of crap, and eat tons of food..... I want to smack the doughnuts out of their hands when they are talking about their new diets....
I know not everyone can choose to be perfectly fit or thin and I have family members with weight issues not by choice but I am talking about the situation you pointed out.lol The person scarfing down a triple bigmac and diet coke then talking about diet..
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Originally Posted by Jus Teasin View Post
I hear about this from my wife all the time (she flies at least twice a month). I never understood why they just can't make a row or two, with 2 seats, instead of 3. Charge 50% more for those seats, and have one of those racks like they use for carry ons to guage peoples size. "If you can't fit through this rack, you must purchase the larger seat".
I know it's not socially correct, but I think a person shouldn't have to have a fourth of a person in their seat with them.
And skinny people shouldn't be allowed to purchase those wider seats unless they're upgraded at departure time.
Thats not socially incorrect, its discriminatory! Wait until the first seat goes up for sale. This should be interesting... To say the least..

I bet that airline they mention in the article is Spirit. Like there's any room on their flights in the first place.
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What an amusing attempt to solve a problem. I've had to sit next to that fat person before (several times) and I don't think twenty inches is going to do the trick. The fat guy will still be billowing out into my space, but hey, Chubby will be more comfortable so lets get it done. Brilliant.

For the record, I have that thyroid condition (hypothyroidism) that causes weight gain. Now, I'm not a doctor but here's my prescription - eat less you fat pig. I think the only gland that truly causes weight gain is the salivary gland.

I'm 6'2" and 210 lbs. I could let myself go and eat donuts for breakfast, a foot long sub for lunch, a two pound bowl of spaghetti for dinner and a bunch of cookies, chips, and other crap for snacks in between but I choose not to. I could lose a couple of pounds but I'm not fat. Leaning on my disease as an excuse never occurred to me. Then again, I think I am responsible for my life and work on things I can control (like my jaw muscles).

Eat healthy, move a little, keep the weight down. Not real tough if you've a mind to do it.

And stay out of my space!!!
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Yeah, there is a dairy freeze in our little town and it seems like everytime we drive by that place there are very overly fat people walking out slurping on their ice cream cones. I always tell the kids that I don't think those people need to be eating ice cream.


I am constantly amazed with all the excuses people in this country use for being fat...."our food is full of chemicals"....."it is the HFCS"....."it is BPA" ......"wheat, don't eat the wheat".........."don't eat gluten"........"it is genetics"........and so on and so forth. Fatness is caused by caloric intake. Hay fat slob, do you really need a 40 oz soda pop?

Go ahead an make a "fattie section" on the plane and charge them extra.

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Looks like common courtesy would cause a person who is taking up a space and a half to have some awareness and buy another seat.

But Common courtesy is an antiquated idea now, I guess.

And I keep hearing how the BMI tables are so out of date. Ok, fine, use fat % and get back to me. If you are male and pushing 25% fat, I don't care how tall you are, you are carrying to much weight around.

It has become the norm for people to be friggin huge and it is not a problem. They'll just take BP and cholesterol pills and everything will be great.
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The best answer that I have ever heard was the we should sell airline tickets and health insurance by the pound.
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The best answer that I have ever heard was the we should sell airline tickets and health insurance by the pound.
They do sell life insurance by the pound, so maybe.
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It would make sense to have different size chairs for different people.

Women and children take up less room and must make up more then 50% of the passengers.

The wave of the future is horizontal seating and stacking passengers like cord wood. I would rather lie down and sleep/nap vs sitting.
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Originally Posted by captbone View Post
It would make sense to have different size chairs for different people.

Women and children take up less room and must make up more then 50% of the passengers.

The wave of the future is horizontal seating and stacking passengers like cord wood. I would rather lie down and sleep/nap vs sitting.
True there are no fat women around.
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I had soup and brown rice for dinner.

(Ok, and a piece of cake for dessert).
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Originally Posted by Jus Teasin View Post
.....and have one of those racks like they use for carry ons to guage peoples size. "If you can't fit through this rack, you must purchase the larger seat".
Oh boy that should open up a few lawsuits. Don't worry the lawyers will come up with something.

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