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Old 06-01-2012, 01:10 PM
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George Zimmerman, the man accused of killing Travyon Martin, must turn himself in within 48 hours after Florida judge revokes his bond.

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This is a soap opera.
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Nothing more misleading than the headline.
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Yea - Zim did some real stupid stuff and was the wrong man for the job.... But these actions now have nothing to do with guilt or innocence or justice - its a fn circus and publicity game as said above.

Not a world traveller.....I didn't know you could have a second passport?

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The Judge just wants to be famous, thats all. Soon he'll be as famous as the loser prosecutor.
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So, if the judge INCREASES the required bail money, and Zimmerman pays the "difference" in bond - can he get back OUT?

Seems he COULD?

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Yea - Zim did some real stupid stuff and was the wrong man for the job.... But these actions now have nothing to do with guilt or innocence or justice - its a fn circus and publicity game as said above.

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No, but it does damage his credibility. What else is he lying about?
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What else is he lying about?

Hard to say, but the persecutor pulled out his slong and stepped on it. Bail is based on the nature of the charge, and the flight risk of the defendant, should have nothing to do with how much money he has or doesn't have.

He also said all they have to go on is Zimmerman's claims. Well, now that makes it a little problematic for the State, now doesn't it! I thought they had to prove he committed a crime, not the other way around ...
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Zimmerman recieved donations towards bail that was of a unknown amount at the time. How would you feel if you knew you donated for the cause and your money is sitting in some bank account. The Judge probably bumped up the bail so all those people feel like they did a worthwhile deed.
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What else is he lying about?

Hard to say, but the persecutor pulled out his slong and stepped on it. Bail is based on the nature of the charge, and the flight risk of the defendant, should have nothing to do with how much money he has or doesn't have.

He also said all they have to go on is Zimmerman's claims. Well, now that makes it a little problematic for the State, now doesn't it! I thought they had to prove he committed a crime, not the other way around ...

That Sir is incorrect, bail has a lot of variables, one aspect is to make sure the bail impose enough hardship and tie up assets that the person on bail can't afford to flee.

lets for a minute imagine a multi millionaire is arrested for 2nd murder, he/she as assets all around the world and the court set bail at $150,000, that is no incentive for he/she to turn up in court, but if bail is set at $ 25,000,000 it may be difficult to forfeit that much assets.
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The Judge probably bumped up the bail so all those people feel like they did a worthwhile deed.

Yeah, that's probably it, make donors feel good about themselves ...
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No, but it does damage his credibility. What else is he lying about?
Based on the inconsistancies in his story that are already known I would say quite a bit with more to come.
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Come on guys.... The guy just didnt want to lose all his savings.... big deal... So he lied a bit....

Bottom line,,, inner city thug and insecure weirdo met in an alley and things went bad...

Kid shouldn't have beat on Zimmerman and Zimmerman shouldn't have pursued....

Involuntary manslaughter - 10 years ....

Case closed .... Next
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Come on guys.... The guy just didnt want to lose all his savings.... big deal... So he lied a bit....

Bottom line,,, inner city thug and insecure weirdo met in an alley and things went bad...

Kid shouldn't have beat on Zimmerman and Zimmerman shouldn't have pursued....

Involuntary manslaughter - 10 years ....

Case closed .... Next

Lets for a moment say that true, and I not saying it is, that verdict would fail to achieve the State's ultimate goal, which I thing is to attack the " stand your ground law".

I do not live in Florida and so lacks familiarity with it's laws, base on all I have read, this seems the perfect case to attack what may be a needed law, poorly written.

I know in Ca there are laws rushed through the legislature fuel by emotions that as the years go by the flaws reveal themselves, changes are slow and cumbersome and need the right legal arguments.

in a system that believe it is best that 100 guilty men go free before one innocent man go to jail, it maybe me necessary to sacrifice one, "for the greater good".

In hindsight, it may be safe to say Zimmerman acted without giving thoughts and considerations to to where that scenario was going, on the other hand he may have thought about it and decided he had a gun and could handle anything thrown at him.
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Originally Posted by triplenet View Post
Come on guys.... The guy just didnt want to lose all his savings.... big deal... So he lied a bit....

Bottom line,,, inner city thug and insecure weirdo met in an alley and things went bad...

Kid shouldn't have beat on Zimmerman and Zimmerman shouldn't have pursued....

Involuntary manslaughter - 10 years ....

Case closed .... Next
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Reel - Stand your ground is pretty clear.... If in fear for your life - you dont have a duty to retreat .... The only grey area is that you cant start the fight then finish it with a gun....

Not that I have paid much attention to the case, but from what I have seen - Zimmerman pursued (which as a neighborhood watch I could argue that this was what he was supposed to do) and the young man used pretty aggressive force in return...

I also have to assume Zimmerman only pulled the weapon when he was on his back getting beat .... But I would like to see some forensics before I come to a conclusion...

Zimmerman is an idiot - when the cops told him to stand fast - thats exactly what he should have done..
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Reel - Stand your ground is pretty clear.... If in fear for your life - you dont have a duty to retreat .... The only grey area is that you cant start the fight then finish it with a gun....

Not that I have paid much attention to the case, but from what I have seen - Zimmerman pursued (which as a neighborhood watch I could argue that this was what he was supposed to do) and the young man used pretty aggressive force in return...

I also have to assume Zimmerman only pulled the weapon when he was on his back getting beat .... But I would like to see some forensics before I come to a conclusion...

Zimmerman is an idiot - when the cops told him to stand fast - thats exactly what he should have done..

I agree with you, however I thing the courts would like to remove the gray area, I am thinking that when the Zimmerman case is over there will be a narrower interpretation of the " stand your ground laws", regardless of the verdict, there will be arguments made and motions granted that will determine future interpretations and create citable precedents.
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this case has nothing to do with stand your ground....once a person is involved in a fight it is self defense as duty to retreat is no longer feesible...you dont need a stand your ground law to defend yourself...if youre going to comment on it it would be helpful to know something about it...

zimmermnas wife testified under oath (by phone due to the threats) at the bail hearing and did not disclose the money at that time...that may lead to a perjury charge...the money has to be documented and any use of it itemized with proof...the zimmermans were also speaking on the phone regarding money in the bank and using a code per jail officials...interesting credibility concerns here...he apparently forgot he has more than one passport also...

witness accounts have changed...the star witness "john" who previously stated that martin was on top delivering multiple mma like blows to the head of zimmerman has recanted and stated that martin may have just pinned zimmermman down waiting for help to arrive....and now "john" isnt sure who was calling out for help as he originally just though it was the guy on the bottom because he was on the bottom...seems when one thinks everything is gonna just go away the story changes when a witness is going to be on the statnd under oath...

zimmermnas injuries support one thing...a blow to the nose and falling backward onto a hard surface...a possible broken nose would blacken both eyes for any of you who have never had the honor...and the cuts on the back of his head are superficial...they arent representative of multiple poundings on concrete...ive had worse in schoolyard brawls...and the fact that he was able to get to his feet and straddle the dead body immediately after makes one wonder also about head injuries that only required basic first aid and he refused hospital treatment or a follow-up...heads split open rather easily on hard surfaces and there wasnt even a great amount of blood...

another witness indicated the fight actually took place over several yards from where john saw the 2 to a home 2-3 yards away...not a jump on a guy and beat him in one place as originally though by many...

there are several indications that with current witness statements the prosecution may actually have more of a case than many think...this is going to be interesting to watch play out...

it seems there may also be inconsistancies in zimmermans story...and his newfound lack of credibility may not be in his favor...
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Originally Posted by triplenet View Post
Come on guys.... The guy just didnt want to lose all his savings.... big deal... So he lied a bit....

Bottom line,,, inner city thug and insecure weirdo met in an alley and things went bad...

Kid shouldn't have beat on Zimmerman and Zimmerman shouldn't have pursued....

Involuntary manslaughter - 10 years ....

Case closed .... Next
I agree with some of what you said except the thug part and beating on Zimmerman. There is nothing to indicate Martin was any type of thug. No arrest, no gang affiliation, not really from the inner city, nothing but some tough guy pictures and talk on Facebook. If Zimmerman pursued Martin and Martin felt in danger he had every right to defend himself any way he saw fit. I think manslaughter and 5-10 years and he is probably out in 3-5.
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I agree with some of what you said except the thug part and beating on Zimmerman. There is nothing to indicate Martin was any type of thug. No arrest, no gang affiliation, not really from the inner city, nothing but some tough guy pictures and talk on Facebook. If Zimmerman pursued Martin and Martin felt in danger he had every right to defend himself any way he saw fit. I think manslaughter and 5-10 years and he is probably out in 3-5.
And vice versa, there is nothing to indicate that he was not.

He was certainly not the "pure as the wind driven snow" child they tried to portray him to be.
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