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Old 05-29-2012, 01:04 PM
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OK the Fukashima reactor gets hit with a major earthquake and nuclear waste gets dumped into the air and sea completely emptying it's complete load.

You as a North American do what? Head South, way South, stay put?
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Originally Posted by 08087 View Post
OK the Fukashima reactor gets hit with a major earthquake and nuclear waste gets dumped into the air and sea completely emptying it's complete load.

You as a North American do what? Head South, way South, stay put?
ummmm. Didn't something like this already happen and now we are seeing the aftermath and its effects.
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I think the op means if another hits. I've read about some possible scenarios and none seem very good. Southern hemisphere is probably anyone's best shot. Maybe Rio? The more you read about this, the more you'll wish you hadn't!
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Not getting a lot of news coverage but the Fukishima nuclear issue is far from over. The plant is still emitting dangerous levels of cesium. They are still running a "temporary" cooling pool for the fuel rods, and have discovered a bulge in one of the pipes which they believe indicates radiation is leaking. For sure, another earthquake/tsunami and that reactor is toast, but they are in deep trouble regardless.
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Originally Posted by jcbadabing View Post
Not getting a lot of news coverage but the Fukishima nuclear issue is far from over. The plant is still emitting dangerous levels of cesium. They are still running a "temporary" cooling pool for the fuel rods, and have discovered a bulge in one of the pipes which they believe indicates radiation is leaking. For sure, another earthquake/tsunami and that reactor is toast, but they are in deep trouble regardless.
Radio active fish are being landed on the west coast. Not good.
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If they loose the cooling water to the spent fuel pool it will make chernobyl look like a cake walk and is the no. 1 threat to life on earth right now. Japan will be inhabitale, it will contaminate the entire pacific ocean, contaminate the entire US from the west coast to the east coast. All spent fuel pools are a big radioactive bomb and the weak link in nuke plants.
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Originally Posted by TheRealMacGyver View Post
I think the op means if another hits. I've read about some possible scenarios and none seem very good. Southern hemisphere is probably anyone's best shot. Maybe Rio? The more you read about this, the more you'll wish you hadn't!

Correct, this situation is scary and the gov's and press isn't doing much to keep us informed. Fish and beef on the west coast are not contaminated, if the whole unit drops into the sea we are in serious trouble.
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Not trying to make this political but I'd love an update from the POTUS and what he plans to do if the SHTF over there.
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If they loose the cooling water to the spent fuel pool it will make chernobyl look like a cake walk and is the no. 1 threat to life on earth right now. Japan will be inhabitale, .
I agree Fukashima is a mess and is poisoning an area around it. The question is how big an area.
The thing I question is can this one set of reactors really make all of Japan uninhabitable?
To me it doesn't seem possible in light of the fact that there were hundreds and hundreds of atomic bombs set off in the atmosphere between 1945 and 1963, including almost 300 Nevada alone, and yet the SW USA is still quite habitable.
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Originally Posted by 08087 View Post
OK the Fukashima reactor gets hit with a major earthquake and nuclear waste gets dumped into the air and sea completely emptying it's complete load.

You as a North American do what? Head South, way South, stay put?
Maybe they should do the same thing they did during these 2000+ nuclear detonations......


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Originally Posted by notgottaboatyet View Post
Not trying to make this political but I'd love an update from the POTUS and what he plans to do if the SHTF over there.
He will blame it on BUSH or the Repubs.

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I agree Fukashima is a mess and is poisoning an area around it. The question is how big an area.
The thing I question is can this one set of reactors really make all of Japan uninhabitable?
To me it doesn't seem possible in light of the fact that there were hundreds and hundreds of atomic bombs set off in the atmosphere between 1945 and 1963, including almost 300 Nevada alone, and yet the SW USA is still quite habitable.
I might be wrong, but I think a bomb going off and a nuke plant melting down are two different things.
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Originally Posted by falkon View Post
I might be wrong, but I think a bomb going off and a nuke plant melting down are two different things.
You are completely correct.
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If you guys ever want to read about what actually happed at Fukushima please check out this report,


Special Report on the Nuclear Accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station

http://www.nei.org/filefolder/11_005...11_08_11_1.pdf

It contains a narative of how the events unfolded, and is written by INPO- Institute of Nuclear Power Operations

2.0 Executive Summary

On March 11, 2011, at 1446 (JST), a severe earthquake measuring 9.0 on the Richter Scale occurred 112 miles (180 km) off the coast of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station. The earthquake was the largest Japan has ever experienced. It caused all of the operating units (units 1, 2, and 3) to automatically scram on seismic reactor protection system trips. The earthquake damaged breakers and distribution towers, causing a loss of all off-site electrical power sources to the site. The emergency diesel generators automatically started and provided AC power to emergency systems. Three minutes after the earthquake, the Japan Meteorological Association issued a major tsunami warning, indicating the potential for a tsunami at least 3 meters high. Station workers were notified of the warning and evacuated to higher ground.

Forty-one minutes after the earthquake, at 1527, the first of a series of seven tsunamis arrived at the site. The maximum tsunami height impacting the site was estimated to be 46 to 49 feet (14 to 15 meters). This exceeded the design basis tsunami height of 18.7 feet (5.7 meters) and was above the site grade levels of 32.8 feet (10 meters) at units 1-4. All AC power was lost to units 1-4 by 1541 when a tsunami overwhelmed the site and flooded some of the emergency diesel generators and switchgear rooms. The seawater intake structure was severely damaged and was rendered nonfunctional. All DC power was lost on units 1 and 2, while some DC power from batteries remained available on Unit 3. Four of the five emergency diesel generators on units 5 and 6 were inoperable after the tsunami. One air-cooled emergency diesel generator on Unit 6 continued to function and supplied electrical power to Unit 6, and later to Unit 5, to maintain cooling to the reactor and spent fuel pool.

Continued...
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Originally Posted by falkon View Post
I might be wrong, but I think a bomb going off and a nuke plant melting down are two different things.
I am sure they are and don't know how emitted radiation compares for each, but we do know a bomb puts out a lot of radiation, my point being just with any pollution nature has a way of absorbing and dissipating a lot of it. I don't buy that 1 nuke plant can make the whole pacific rim contaminated to a dangerous level.
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Bombs are designed to efficiently use the radioactive fuel to create an explosion - fairly "clean." A dirty bomb would be one used to create a lot of radioactive material fallout, not complete fission of the materials, or blanketed by dangerous materials (think hand gernade and schrapnel). A nuclear plant melting down would be a dirty bomb on steroids, as it would have a vast amount of fuel, be uncontrollable, and could last for years, perhaps decades or centuries.
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Skibum....

That's what I thought. The explosion in WWII didn't contaminate the area for long. The meltdown in Chernobyl on the other hand is still too contaminated to get close to.
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Originally Posted by skibum View Post
Bombs are designed to efficiently use the radioactive fuel to create an explosion - fairly "clean." A dirty bomb would be one used to create a lot of radioactive material fallout, not complete fission of the materials, or blanketed by dangerous materials (think hand gernade and schrapnel). A nuclear plant melting down would be a dirty bomb on steroids, as it would have a vast amount of fuel, be uncontrollable, and could last for years, perhaps decades or centuries.
Damn good explanation.

In a nuke bomb... the vast majority of contamination (fallout) has a pretty short half-life.

In a plant (reactor) you are dealing with many types of isotopes. The key in a reactor situation is that you are dealing with the actual fuel and you still have fission going on.
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Originally Posted by Ifishalot View Post
Damn good explanation.

In a nuke bomb... the vast majority of contamination (fallout) has a pretty short half-life.

In a plant (reactor) you are dealing with many types of isotopes. The key in a reactor situation is that you are dealing with the actual fuel and you still have fission going on.
Bingo, which is why they still enforce an "exclusion zone" of about 20 miles all around Chernobyl. We will never know how many thousands of deaths were caused by that meltdown, but recall (for those of us old enough) that there was talk of issuing iodine doses to people on the west coast of the US due to the fallout.
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Be sure of this: Anything that "our friends", the Japanese, tell us about this issue will be about 10% of the real story.
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